Seriously SE???

[QiLymePye]

Except I pay once and then I can play whenever I want. For a game with a sub, 40 is way too much.

Yes, you can play as much as you want. tell me, when was the last time you played Mass effect 2? does the story change since last you played? did they add any new characters? Do you still get patches and such? But wait....when Mass Effect 3 came out, how much did you pay? 60 dollars? for a game with no continuation to the story once you beat it. Did they add a new area a year after it released? You get more for this type of game. SE didn't have to give us new jobs in a free patch. They were within their right to give us nothing and make us pay for all new content. Gold saucer? they don't have to give it to us for free. They can make us pay for it. And before you mention subs, it only gives us access to server, nothing more.

[kyuven]

But is it really expensive enough to justify...

Depends on you.
If you don't like it, you have an option to not pay for it.

Thing is, more people will pay for the expansion then sleipnir. And more work went into it.
Everything else is there to get some extra money to keep the game profitable.
It's a business.

This isn't about me. It's about the industry as a whole and its relationship with its customers.
Simply abstaining from purchase tells them nothing when they can just rely on the whales to support their decisions. And those that don't just get screwed over time and time again.

This is the way the industry works. Due to inflation, increased costs, and the need by players for new content, there needs to be extra cash flow. P2P MMOs have averaged about $15 a month for the past 10 years, despite inflation, rising costs, an economic recession, rising demands for "new stuff" from the playerbase. They need more cash flow to stay afloat. Expansions have always been part of this. Someone a few years back did the math and suggested we should be paying $20 or more a month for P2P MMOs adjusting for inflation and technology costs going up.
Your monthly fee is not enough. Either deal with that, or quit. This genre is expensive.
We're not "getting screwed" otherwise the entire industry has been screwing us for 20 years, and someone would have come up with a better way by now. They haven't.

Everything they've put in the game (and things that have not) has already been paid in advance.

Thus you're paying for the NEXT round of content.

[aisustrong]

they officially announced the price? I don't see it on lodestone

[Gramul]

Depends on you.
If you don't like it, you have an option to not pay for it.

This isn't about me. It's about the industry as a whole and its relationship with its customers.
Simply abstaining from purchase tells them nothing when they can just rely on the whales to support their decisions. And those that don't just get screwed over time and time again.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Then why aren't you doing something about it?

[Moqi]

60 dollars? for a game with no continuation to the story once you beat it. Did they add a new area a year after it released?

60€ for a game that takes me more than 2 months to fully enjoy vs 40€ of expansion + 30€ for 2 months of sub. Yeah, I get more with Mass Effect. Hence why I'm waiting until it gets to a more reasonable price like I did with 2.0.

SE didn't have to give us new jobs in a free patch. They were within their right to give us nothing and make us pay for all new content. Gold saucer? they don't have to give it to us for free. They can make us pay for it. And before you mention subs, it only gives us access to server, nothing more.

This is such a non-argument. Yes they did have to give us something in return and everyone knows that regardelss of what the ToS says, or no one would have stayed subbed for a year. Let's not start with this: I have nothing to be grateful for and I am given anything for free. Everything they've put in the game (and things that have not) has already been paid in advance.

[Kaze3434]

It's not so much the price of the expansion pack itself, as costly as I think it is. It's that they do it on top of the mounting pile of financial mousetraps that have crept their way into this game and the industry as a whole. It's getting rarer and rarer to buy or subscribe to complete games anymore and it's very depressing and frustrating to see people offer little to no resistance or protest.

it feels like you are comparing this game (an mmo) to other games(going to use destiny as an example). while both did not ship complete(subjective in the case of 14 as mmos are games that grow and have new things made all the time, not held back and then made dlc.) its wrong to say they are doing the same thing.

[Gramul]

Then why aren't you doing something about it?

What can I do but protest with as much calm reason as I can muster, and remind people that they don't need to bow down and hand over their wallets to support the acts of an industry that's very quickly losing control of the cost and size of their projects?

it feels like you are comparing this game (an mmo) to other games(going to use destiny as an example). while both did not ship complete(subjective in the case of 14 as mmos are games that grow and have new things made all the time, not held back and then made dlc.) its wrong to say they are doing the same thing.

Everything I listed comes from this game.

The industry only works this way because we let them. We've let a minority of frivolous spenders dictate how the industry treats all of us.

[QiLymePye]

60€ for a game that takes me more than 2 months to fully enjoy vs 40€ of expansion + 30€ for 2 months of sub. Yeah, I get more with Mass Effect. Hence why I'm waiting until it gets to a more reasonable price like I did with 2.0.
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What?! you get more for mass effect? did you just say playing a game for 2 months?! look at your own words. Mass effect was awesome! I crushed it. But after that, it was nothing. Yeah you had a little multiplayer, but after main story/campaign...thats it. Be real man, would you pay a subscription for mass effect right now as is? No. So why even compare it to this game. And how long have you been subbed for? you say no one would be subbed more than a year if it didn't offer you anything, you are still here, yet you are complaining about this game like you have been robbed. How old are you?

I remember games being 80 dollars 20 years ago! and you are complaining about the expansion being 40 dollars. deal with it. I've paid 40 for FFXI expansion..years ago. What do you want? free downloads for life of subscription? The point is that if the expansion is $40, its worth it, because you are getting a new game, just like when you dropped 60 for mass effect 1, 2, and 3--180 dollar value that you are not even playing right now.

[Zoralink]

ITT: People who don't realize they were are consumers who pay for a product and think that SE owes us 'nothing.' Even if we go under the premise that we are not paying for updates, simply servers/service to the game as is, we are still getting screwed considering the numerous issues with servers, housing space, etc.

While I don't think Heavensward should be free, $40 seems a bit much considering the base game is $30. Particularly considering that they plan on an annual release cycle.

I really don't want to dig into this issue, it's absolutely asinine to try to compare to things like Mass Effect. Last I checked, Mass Effect was a single player experience with a finite end. To answer the rhetorical question though, if ME were to receive regular updates that continued the story? Sure. I might consider a sub for it. It would have to be worth it though. That said, it's particularly ironic because the sheer number of updates that were done to ME3's multiplayer is astounding, considering all of them were free.

The single player games also frequently go on sale, I personally picked up ME1/2/3 for $20 or less each. Just... everything about that comparison is ridiculous.