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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    Because we understand that content is expensive.
    But is it really expensive enough to justify the subscription fee, the cost of retainers, the overpriced reskins and nicknacks, content that could otherwise be won, various services like fantasia and server transfers, weddings, special edition upgrades, and expansion packs that cost more than the game itself from a company with many various sources of revenue?

    It's not so much the price of the expansion pack itself, as costly as I think it is. It's that they do it on top of the mounting pile of financial mousetraps that have crept their way into this game and the industry as a whole. It's getting rarer and rarer to buy or subscribe to complete games anymore and it's very depressing and frustrating to see people offer little to no resistance or protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    But is it really expensive enough to justify...
    Depends on you.
    If you don't like it, you have an option to not pay for it.

    Thing is, more people will pay for the expansion then sleipnir. And more work went into it.
    Everything else is there to get some extra money to keep the game profitable.
    It's a business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    This isn't about me. It's about the industry as a whole and its relationship with its customers.
    Simply abstaining from purchase tells them nothing when they can just rely on the whales to support their decisions. And those that don't just get screwed over time and time again.
    This is the way the industry works. Due to inflation, increased costs, and the need by players for new content, there needs to be extra cash flow. P2P MMOs have averaged about $15 a month for the past 10 years, despite inflation, rising costs, an economic recession, rising demands for "new stuff" from the playerbase. They need more cash flow to stay afloat. Expansions have always been part of this. Someone a few years back did the math and suggested we should be paying $20 or more a month for P2P MMOs adjusting for inflation and technology costs going up.
    Your monthly fee is not enough. Either deal with that, or quit. This genre is expensive.
    We're not "getting screwed" otherwise the entire industry has been screwing us for 20 years, and someone would have come up with a better way by now. They haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
    Everything they've put in the game (and things that have not) has already been paid in advance.
    Thus you're paying for the NEXT round of content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    Depends on you.
    If you don't like it, you have an option to not pay for it.
    This isn't about me. It's about the industry as a whole and its relationship with its customers.
    Simply abstaining from purchase tells them nothing when they can just rely on the whales to support their decisions. And those that don't just get screwed over time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    It's not so much the price of the expansion pack itself, as costly as I think it is. It's that they do it on top of the mounting pile of financial mousetraps that have crept their way into this game and the industry as a whole. It's getting rarer and rarer to buy or subscribe to complete games anymore and it's very depressing and frustrating to see people offer little to no resistance or protest.
    it feels like you are comparing this game (an mmo) to other games(going to use destiny as an example). while both did not ship complete(subjective in the case of 14 as mmos are games that grow and have new things made all the time, not held back and then made dlc.) its wrong to say they are doing the same thing.
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