The Unspoken Rudeness

[NyarukoW]

The real unspoken rudeness is why do people think it is ok to hate on the noobs.

[gamesmart]

The real unspoken rudeness is why do people think it is ok to hate on the noobs.

Nobody here is indiscriminately hating on all newbies. Only the ones that don't speak up.

If they don't speak up, let us know that they are new, and then proceed to waste the time of 7 other people, especially if it's a PF, that's literal unspoken rudeness. Personally, I expect people to communicate if they don't have the fight down to a T (pun intended?), and if they do I'm much more considerate, and will likely explain mechanics to the best of my ability, so long as they actually LEARN. I don't have an infinite amount of patience, and if progress isn't happening then I will start getting frustrated.

[Izsha]

That is such a false misrepresentation. First of all PF = Pseudo-Farm at best, I've seen so call farm parties with so called top players, at least in their own words, fail and wipe over and over and then get into a pissing match. If you want to farm, get your static together and farm, but do not expect the PF to magically supply you 7 other players. If you are using the PF, you are begging for others to assist you and unreasonable requires simply can not be met.*

The thread was never a bout "nobody helps noobs", but rather it is about "no noobs wanted" and that is not acceptable. The OP started out on a neutral stance, but by the 3rd post, it betrayed the OP's real intent with the "stink cloud". Stop hating on the noobs. The unspoken rudeness is why people think it is ok ot hate on the noobs.

Again. Kicking someone from a party finder is not noob hate. The entire point of the op was people being rude by joining party finders that are obviously not aimed at them. If a pf says lala only and your not a lala, then that pf isn't for you. If it's ilvl 110 minimum pf and you i90 smn, that doesn't mean "hey ill put on my 130 dex accessories and join up on smn!". That pf isn't for your smn. If I make a pf with the only open slot is a healer and you wanna dps, don't join as healer then swap to dps. If a pf is asking for highly expert performance and you've never set foot in the fight, it's not for you. Disagreeing with the rules the leader makes doesn't matter. If pf says I get ALL the loot, then don't join it if you plan on lotting. If their pf rules are really stupid they will figure it out when no one ever joins.

If you think someone's pf criteria are dumb or unfair then DON'T JOIN IT. this has NOTHING to do with being noob hate.

Like that post pages ago when someone joined ifrit ex pf and didn't have it unlocked, but wasted 7 people's time until they figured out he hadn't beaten titan yet and got kicked. That's not noob hate. He joined a pf and didn't want to go along with the PF leaders purpose. That's frigging ridiculous. Don't be that guy. That's what this thread was about before everyone started making it some affront on newbies. It's not. But everyone would rather trot out newbs and learning party struggles as a red herring than just acknowledge "yeah joining a pf with deceitful intent to dodge the pf criteria is kinda messed up. They should just pm the leader 1st"

[Kazumac]

The real unspoken rudeness is why do people think it is ok to hate on the noobs.

No it isn't. This thread isn't about hating noobs. It's about a PF group saying it is looking for members with "xyz" criteria and someone without that criteria joining the group. Look at my IEX example, that was ridiculous. We weren't hating on a noob who hadn't cleared TEX... We just weren't doing TEX as per the PF description.

If you want to join but don't quite meet the requirements, PM the lead about it. that's worked for me 9/10 times when I've asked. I've let people into a farm group who needed a clear before. They PMed me, I asked the full group and they said lets rock and roll and get him a clear. I don't see the noob hate in this topic at all. I agree joining when not meeting the stipulations for the PF group is rude unless you get permission from the party lead ahead of time.

[Dererk]

The real unspoken rudeness is why do people think it is ok to hate on the noobs.

So I set up a T9 farm IV got no voice chat (not paying for a server) finally get 8 people item level was set to pretty much 105 minimum il or 110 can't remember wasn't asking too much but it's a farm I expect people to have cleared it.

Go in we all see the 100 tombeatone message so went out kicked who ever it was.

That's not hating on noobs hairs hating on the person who joined a party finder group with a set requirement your blowing stuff way out there that's not even the problem.

No ones hating on noobs no one is baring them if they ask to join and their allowed good for them if their not allowed just roll with it and move on.

Your making your self look like a hero but really it has the opposite effect because it's about OPs post is about people sneaking in when there's a set requirement put in place to join.

[NyarukoW]

.... about people sneaking in when there's a set requirement put in place to join.

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

The solution to farming is simple, and it has already been stated before:

the solution is to find 7 other people you trust that are online with a common interest.

Put together your farm static or farm LS and you will have no problems farming, the only catch is that you will need to be fair and equitable in the loot distribution because by now you should all be friends with each other and be glad to help each

PF = pseudo farm, and you have no business trying to exclude the so called "noob". And you have clear sellers making it pointless to ask for people who have cleared. If you are using the PF you are depending on the kindness of other players and begging for their help, beggars don't get to be choosers. People are not trying to sneak in a carry, they trying hard to clear it and often overestimate their knowledge and skill.

The PF is under no obligation to find you a farm capable party so you can just get your loot and have no obligation to return the favor to the other players that helped you. This attitude and expectation that PF should magically find you a farm party is simply taking all the other players out there for granted and inappropriate and unrealistic.

[LunaHoshino]

PF = pseudo farm, and you have no business trying to exclude the so called "noob".

I have the right to exclude anyone I want from parties that I set up. If I make it a requirement that everyone has to wear the sheep kabuto for the fight and you join my party and refuse to do that, I have every right to kick you out. Why? Because it's my party and I make the rules. Don't like them, don't join. You have no right to join a party that has a stated requirement (ilvl requirement, no 100 sol, solo tank, etc.) and then complain when the party leader gets mad at you or kicks you for not following the rules that they put in place.

Not everything is for everyone. If I see a PF for, say, a Ramuh EX farm and it says that the DRG loot is called, I don't get to join it and then demand that I be allowed to roll on the DRG loot too. It is entitled to join a group with set rules and then insist that they not enforce those rules because you don't like them.

[Noxifer]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

Yes. People are free to join them. The people putting up the PF listings are also free to kick you if you do not meet the expectations of the people they wanted. If the PF listing is for Ultima HM, do you join it and go "I wanna go Labyrinth of the Ancient now!" to them? No, you join it to go to Ultima HM. Likewise, if the PF listing says "clear required", you do not join it without having cleared it -- at least not without contacting the PF lister first and seeing if there's a chance of them making an exception for you. If the PF listing has set the ilvl requirement as i101, you don't join with i97 (or sneak your ilvl up by using accessories not intended for your job) -- not without contacting the PF lister first as per the previous example.

I'm all for some flexibility with PF listers and them being willing to now and then adjust their requirements, but in the end it's still the party leader who sets up the PF listing. As far as I'm concerned, joining the party pretty much constitutes a contract between you and the PF lister; anyone breaking the agreement can be reported for it. This includes PF listers who say for example "I just want the NIN wpn, will pass on everything else", but then ends up greeding/needing on everything possible and gets upset when someone else wins.

[Sapphic]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

Doesn't matter what people put as requirements, it is their party and if you don't meet or even like the requirements why are you complaining when you have the tools to start your own with whatever requirements you want to put up, Why do you always try to twist any post into trying to make you look like some type of new player hero when you obviously don't understand the point the OPs are trying to make?

Get off your soapbox and actually read and properly understand what the OP is saying.

Yes you can form farm parties in PF, why do you think their are requirements you can list and also make comments for any other requirement? It's not a tool for anyone to join whichever party they want to, Its a tool designed so players can find like minded players that a fit a criteria they are looking for.

[Kaze3434]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2603988
key point in this being "the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules."