The Unspoken Rudeness

[AlexionSkylark]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

[Izsha]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

So an inexperienced at (insert fight) person has trouble making a learning party so they should just be carried by 7 people in a farm party? Blunt answer: that's not the farm parties problem. If I want to farm t9 for weapons and 3 players join because they can't successfully do a learning party and make me wipe for 2 hours, to bad. They get the boot.

You don't show up to taco bell and demand a hamburger just because there's no McDonalds in your town.

just because you struggle doesn't give you the right to crap on other people's groups. I can sympathize with struggling to learn. Doesnt make it ok demanding other people teach you just because they are there. That's just spiting random people because your situation sucks. Not cool.

[Noxifer]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

I agree with you to an extent, but... If you haven't downed the instance before, or at the very least seen the fight to the last phases, don't go for a farm party. At the very least have the decency to look at clear parties and send a tell to the PF lister explaining your situation. "Have seen it up to X%, but parties keep disbanding, can you give me at least one chance to see if it's me or just really bad luck with DF/PF?" For example. And if the PF party is ok with that, be grateful. If they're not, don't get upset with them.

(And no, I'm not an expert raider... Still haven't set foot in T6 -- cleared T5 just the week after the nerfs or something XD tough luck with finding people, basically -- but now that we finally have enough people we'll go at it a bit more regularly. But while I sympathize with the learning parties sittng open for hours not finding enough people, or finding them just as the first joiners go "crap, out of time, good luck guys", it doesn't mean I don't sympathize with those who put up PF listings and expect people to read and follow instructions before joining ^^; )

[AlexionSkylark]

I'm not telling that me MYSELF join farm parties like this. I even created a LS in my server meant to be a meeting place for ppl with no static groups to hook up and do content. Just telling you I understand why it happens. If learning parties weren't so damn hard to make and bullied, people woudn't have any reason to crash farm parties (pun intended).

[Frozenbear]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

deal with it, like everyone before you did. bad tank is bad tank, you will go through plenty of bad players in learning runs because that is where the detritus of the player base tend to clot. you shake it off and keep trying. just like everyone else did before you.
simple as that.
Not really sure what that last sentence had todo with the topic. over my head maybe.

[Elusana_Celah]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

So we, who have already done our 'learning time' and feel comfortable with the content must continue to wipe for weeks because we have an obligation to let people join our farm groups to 'learn'? You do realize that the number of unskilled players is ridiculous? I mean wipes are going to be so consistent you'll be lucky to see a win at least once a week. I'm not obligated to continue wiping for the rest of my time subscribed to FFXIV because I'm the only one who bothered to use my time to make learning parties.

Yeah depending on what it is, it can take a couple hours. I don't know what people are talking about with the 'rage' as the learning parties I got going people were friendly and patient. Once you get your learning party going, be damn sure you're ready to learn so you can take EVERYTHING in and feel comfortable enough then you can find a clear/farm party, message the party leader and be like, "I got a sol bonus but I feel confident in my abilities that I can perform well. I will leave on my own if I fail." You know that usually works. Even I am willing to give people like that a chance.

Point is, you gotta put forth real effort into learning or you WILL be waiting for learning parties A LOT.