The Unspoken Rudeness

[DoctorPepper]

It's no different than requesting specific jobs in the PF options.

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

[KamikazeMan]

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

Umm..no, it's not different at all. It makes a WHM feel less important when a party is specifically asking for a SCH. It's making an ilvl 100 DRG feel less important when the party is specifically asking for ilvl 101+. So how is it any different when a party is asking for people that have at least cleared the content? In the end, you're requesting specific people to join your party.

[DoctorPepper]

Umm..no, it's not different at all. It makes a WHM feel less important when a party is specifically asking for a SCH. It's making an ilvl 100 DRG feel less important when the party is specifically asking for ilvl 101+. So how is it any different when a party is asking for people that have at least cleared the content? In the end, you're requesting specific people to join your party.

lol I don't know how to explain it to you so I'm not going to argue. To put it simply, job requirements don't require skill, completion of content does. You're making people who are less skilled feel less important. If you can't understand how that is belittling the casual player base when less than one quarter of them have final coil access then I don't really know what else to say.

That's my opinion, and if you don't agree then that's fine, maybe we'll see a feature like that implemented but personally I highly doubt it.

[Magusrex]

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

I think this would be in the best interest of a casual player. It is almost always a poor experience to end up in a group with people who do not want you there.

[Izsha]

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

I'm pretty sure melee players felt excluded and discriminated from the range only garuda ex pfs.

Players will exclude so long as there are ways to identify (sold bonus). If pf says farm must have cleared and you silently join with sold bonus it just wastes everyone's time. If you just pm the leader to explain situation (it's an alt, I've cleared 1000 times or whatever) then DO THAT. Silently joining when you don't meet the requirements set forth by the leader is just absurdly rude and should be met with swift kick. If you think you got what it takes to participate then speak to the leader. Silently slipping in hoping no one notices just tells me you don't think you can hack it. If you got what it takes why are you hiding?

[DoctorPepper]

I'm pretty sure melee players felt excluded and discriminated from the range only garuda ex pfs.

Players will exclude so long as there are ways to identify (sold bonus). If pf says farm must have cleared and you silently join with sold bonus it just wastes everyone's time. If you just pm the leader to explain situation (it's an alt, I've cleared 1000 times or whatever) then DO THAT. Silently joining when you don't meet the requirements set forth by the leader is just absurdly rude and should be met with swift kick. If you think you got what it takes to participate then speak to the leader. Silently slipping in hoping no one notices just tells me you don't think you can hack it. If you got what it takes why are you hiding?

I agree that it's a waste of every bodies time, that's why I suggested that you kick them from the party and blacklist if you feel it's necessary. If the player is on the party leaders blacklist they can't join the PF.

You guys are acting like I'm vouching for the liars, I'm not and I will kick them and blacklist them all day.

What I'm saying is that they probably will not implement a feature like that because it may make the people who aren't even joining your party to begin with feel segregated and SE wants this game to be casual/hardcore/etc. friendly. Simple fact is that nobody wants to open PF and see a list of greyed out parties, if you don't think they'll complain about that then do you even forum?

what you preach, you should practice, hmm?

lol I don't recall ever implying that I'm always nice, I read a post I've seen a thousand times and thought I'd throw a little jab in there. In my mind it was funny, so sue me :P

[Frozenbear]

if you feel ashamed or unimportant because you cant join someones farm or clear or w/e that is an interpersonal problem.. a YOU problem. Nowhere in the terms of service does it say that i MUST party with anyone else, just that i cannot discriminate or harrass. all of this is a moot point if you just start some learning parties and learn the fight. you cant tell people to fall back on a system that depends on honesty, clearly it isnt working.
enough excuses about why you should be able to join regardless of the party requirements. Not being the center of the universe means that not every party is for you. most people who are trying to clear have already spent hours of time building learning discussing practicing. they are ready, and they shoudn't have to start from scratch for one player who feels "left out".
if you feel left out then get in that pf and start learning.

[DoctorPepper]

if you feel ashamed or unimportant because you cant join someones farm or clear or w/e that is an interpersonal problem.. a YOU problem.

You realize that I'm not talking about my own feelings right? I couldn't care less and I would probably use the feature lots if it were implemented, I just don't see that happening. Whether it's a personal problem or not, SE doesn't want people to feel bad, end of story. If it weren't true then you explain all of the content nerfs they keep throwing at us.

[Deviant1]

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

First, this has nothing to do with a casual vs hardcore player base, as casuals can go into learning parties the same as anyone else. I go into learning parties all the time to learn new content, hell i even go into learning parties when going on a different role because tanking something isnt the same as healing or dpsing it.

Its the people who don't want to watch the video or try learning it without getting carried AND LIE about it, that i couldn't care less about.
Its real simple: If they don't have the time to learn their job in that specific fight, then i don't have time for them!

Second this doesn't belittle anyone. if they cannot join a party because they didn't clear it would be no different then not having the job or the ilvl. Both of which we can already set.

I would also like to know why the one person should be more important then the 7 others who want to have experienced players only?

I think that the greatest thing they could add to the PF is the option of 'Have cleared' that could only be selected if the party leader has a clear.

Bottom line is that if its a farm party for people with clears only, and someone joins without a clear they should be straight up perma-banned. They lied, are being underhanded, wasting the time of 7 other people and violating the requirements to join the pt.
Now if someone sends a tell saying they watched the video & know about all the mechanics IE: they did their homework and just would like a chance to prove it, i am all for that.