The Unspoken Rudeness

[Dererk]

The real unspoken rudeness is why do people think it is ok to hate on the noobs.

So I set up a T9 farm IV got no voice chat (not paying for a server) finally get 8 people item level was set to pretty much 105 minimum il or 110 can't remember wasn't asking too much but it's a farm I expect people to have cleared it.

Go in we all see the 100 tombeatone message so went out kicked who ever it was.

That's not hating on noobs hairs hating on the person who joined a party finder group with a set requirement your blowing stuff way out there that's not even the problem.

No ones hating on noobs no one is baring them if they ask to join and their allowed good for them if their not allowed just roll with it and move on.

Your making your self look like a hero but really it has the opposite effect because it's about OPs post is about people sneaking in when there's a set requirement put in place to join.

[NyarukoW]

.... about people sneaking in when there's a set requirement put in place to join.

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

The solution to farming is simple, and it has already been stated before:

the solution is to find 7 other people you trust that are online with a common interest.

Put together your farm static or farm LS and you will have no problems farming, the only catch is that you will need to be fair and equitable in the loot distribution because by now you should all be friends with each other and be glad to help each

PF = pseudo farm, and you have no business trying to exclude the so called "noob". And you have clear sellers making it pointless to ask for people who have cleared. If you are using the PF you are depending on the kindness of other players and begging for their help, beggars don't get to be choosers. People are not trying to sneak in a carry, they trying hard to clear it and often overestimate their knowledge and skill.

The PF is under no obligation to find you a farm capable party so you can just get your loot and have no obligation to return the favor to the other players that helped you. This attitude and expectation that PF should magically find you a farm party is simply taking all the other players out there for granted and inappropriate and unrealistic.

[LunaHoshino]

PF = pseudo farm, and you have no business trying to exclude the so called "noob".

I have the right to exclude anyone I want from parties that I set up. If I make it a requirement that everyone has to wear the sheep kabuto for the fight and you join my party and refuse to do that, I have every right to kick you out. Why? Because it's my party and I make the rules. Don't like them, don't join. You have no right to join a party that has a stated requirement (ilvl requirement, no 100 sol, solo tank, etc.) and then complain when the party leader gets mad at you or kicks you for not following the rules that they put in place.

Not everything is for everyone. If I see a PF for, say, a Ramuh EX farm and it says that the DRG loot is called, I don't get to join it and then demand that I be allowed to roll on the DRG loot too. It is entitled to join a group with set rules and then insist that they not enforce those rules because you don't like them.

[Noxifer]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

Yes. People are free to join them. The people putting up the PF listings are also free to kick you if you do not meet the expectations of the people they wanted. If the PF listing is for Ultima HM, do you join it and go "I wanna go Labyrinth of the Ancient now!" to them? No, you join it to go to Ultima HM. Likewise, if the PF listing says "clear required", you do not join it without having cleared it -- at least not without contacting the PF lister first and seeing if there's a chance of them making an exception for you. If the PF listing has set the ilvl requirement as i101, you don't join with i97 (or sneak your ilvl up by using accessories not intended for your job) -- not without contacting the PF lister first as per the previous example.

I'm all for some flexibility with PF listers and them being willing to now and then adjust their requirements, but in the end it's still the party leader who sets up the PF listing. As far as I'm concerned, joining the party pretty much constitutes a contract between you and the PF lister; anyone breaking the agreement can be reported for it. This includes PF listers who say for example "I just want the NIN wpn, will pass on everything else", but then ends up greeding/needing on everything possible and gets upset when someone else wins.

[Sapphic]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

Doesn't matter what people put as requirements, it is their party and if you don't meet or even like the requirements why are you complaining when you have the tools to start your own with whatever requirements you want to put up, Why do you always try to twist any post into trying to make you look like some type of new player hero when you obviously don't understand the point the OPs are trying to make?

Get off your soapbox and actually read and properly understand what the OP is saying.

Yes you can form farm parties in PF, why do you think their are requirements you can list and also make comments for any other requirement? It's not a tool for anyone to join whichever party they want to, Its a tool designed so players can find like minded players that a fit a criteria they are looking for.

[Kaze3434]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2603988
key point in this being "the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules."

[Dererk]

Nobody can sneak in anything on the PF. The PF is out there in broad daylight and people are free to join them. The requirements are nonsensical and unreasonable. .

No your reasoning is flawed no way will any reasonable person agree with what your saying.

My friend saw I was having trouble with getting people who could get on the same experience level as me so I could get my T9 clear he told me to join a farm. I told him I wouldn't do this because it would cause problems because I didn't have a clear I understood and accepted this.

Your telling its ok it's every one is free to join a group as long as they meet the item level. Well its not your trying to make it look like your the right one in all this bit your not. You lost all credibility 2-3 pages ago umin this and all your other posts should be brought into question.

I have every right to set high requirements if i want something done its my right to bar the ones who don't at the time mean it.

Its like telling a person their a jerk for blocking people for not being a Lala for when their going into a dungeon or raid for a comical video.

No one should be commenting on or quoteing this person as of now for this subject don't let it get more off topic as it already is.

[Gumiho]

No one who plays Final Fantasy XIV are going to teach you ANY mechanic, I could, but the rest of 99.9999% of the player base of this game won't.

[Magis]

Nyaruko once again twisting people hating on liars and dishonest people joining PFs with set rules, into hating on noobs.