The Unspoken Rudeness

[Laesha]

I also rarely, if ever, join PF'er's these days for this reason.

And actually, when i do join PF'er's, I usually find myself specifically joining learning parties over any other. For me, it's all about what expectations are being set in the description. All too often I end up in farm parties with players trying to ninja a win. Usually clear parties play similarly to farm parties, except it's players who HAVE cleared that turn it into a wipe-fest. In other words, the expectation is not being met. So I leave. Learning parties, on the other hand, wipes are part of the expectation. I find it farm more rewarding helping a group of players learn and progress than helping 1 or 2 players clear content as part of a group of vets anyway. And then, of course, when i want to farm something i usually just try to convince my static to do it.

TL;DR: Don't give up on the learning parties, and if you can, try to find static members for the future! It makes the game so much funner. Really.

[Frozenbear]

Oh, this thread again.

Well, you can fix the game, but good luck trying to fix people.

oh my goodness, i bet you make an adorable little tank. think its time for a "how ridiculously cute are lala tanks" thread!

[Ageofwar]

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My issue with "Farming Parties" is that you want domain over PF AND DF parties

for Christ sake make you bloodly mind up and leave us lot that just want to learn the fight alone.

kinda wanting you cake and eat it too.

is there any point in terrorizing new people to coil just for the sake of getting your drops quicker?

in the end you are just shooting yourself in your own foot since your fellow elites have either stop subbing because they are bored or moved on to newer content and terrorizing new people from coil since you want it all to yourself.

[Izsha]

Terrorizing party finder?
Terrorizing? Really?

PREDACONS! TERRORIZE!


This just proves my point regarding people's attitudes about this. Farming parties have done NOTHING to harm a learning group. Wtf does me making a t9 weapon farming group have to do with some poor soul that wants to learn meteor placement? Statements like yours make some implication that farming parties are stealing people from learning parties or something. Terrorizing PF? Please. There's no cap I'm aware of limiting the # of pf groups. If there's 100 farm parties that doesn't prevent a learning party from being on the board. This is just truly absurd

as for df. You get to roll the dice like everyone else. When my fc wants to farm ponies or weapons and we're short 1 or 2 people, we get a WHOLE LOT of sold bonus people free wins in df with them on the floor. I capped sold 3x last weekend mostly doing runs like that. Sometimes you stumble into a farm party in df and get a free win. Sometimes you get disfunctional crybabies that rage quit after 1 wipe. I never have any expectations in df cuz it's straight up random who you get, how skilled they are, or why they are even there. I would recommend similar expectations for everyone. You can't control df so don't expect something specific when you roll the dice. If you want control of your group then use fc/ls/fist combined with pf. You want Russian roulette go df.

[Deviant1]

It's different because it makes people who haven't completed something feel less important. Like I said before, the tools are there to manage this already, why would SE want to piss off their casual player base by adding a feature that belittles them? You might not care about them but I'm sure that SE's wallet cares.

First, this has nothing to do with a casual vs hardcore player base, as casuals can go into learning parties the same as anyone else. I go into learning parties all the time to learn new content, hell i even go into learning parties when going on a different role because tanking something isnt the same as healing or dpsing it.

Its the people who don't want to watch the video or try learning it without getting carried AND LIE about it, that i couldn't care less about.
Its real simple: If they don't have the time to learn their job in that specific fight, then i don't have time for them!

Second this doesn't belittle anyone. if they cannot join a party because they didn't clear it would be no different then not having the job or the ilvl. Both of which we can already set.

I would also like to know why the one person should be more important then the 7 others who want to have experienced players only?

I think that the greatest thing they could add to the PF is the option of 'Have cleared' that could only be selected if the party leader has a clear.

Bottom line is that if its a farm party for people with clears only, and someone joins without a clear they should be straight up perma-banned. They lied, are being underhanded, wasting the time of 7 other people and violating the requirements to join the pt.
Now if someone sends a tell saying they watched the video & know about all the mechanics IE: they did their homework and just would like a chance to prove it, i am all for that.

[DoctorPepper]

lol not even going to put any thought into a response for that.. no point. Go on expecting people to get perma banned for joining your farm party. I posted my reasoning after the post you quoted already. Feel like you're trolling after reading the perma-ban expectation, that just seems so silly to me, you must be a very bitter individual.

If you feel like SE doesn't care about how these players feel then go ahead and explain why everything gets nerfed for them every 3-6 months. Maybe they'll add that feature, I hope they do, but I highly doubt it.

[Able]

PF is something I do my best to avoid for high-end content. For example, T9 farm parties never work because everyone has an ego and thinks their way is the best way. Because there are so many mechanics, everyone may handle them a bit differently. You don't handle them the way someone else does, you're automatically a bad player. It's a complete joke nowadays. I occasionally join clear parties when I want to help out. But, farm parties aren't worth my time. They hardly every work out.

[Gardes]

PF is something I do my best to avoid for high-end content. For example, T9 farm parties never work because everyone has an ego and thinks their way is the best way.

T9 farm parties never work because everyone in those parties are people who still need clear or people who got their first clears through a carry.

Fixed. Most people who have beaten t9 before echo has already finished farming t9 for good.

I have finished T5 about a month or 2 ago and have started trying T6

don't have a static group and all the static groups on my sever run outside of what time i have available to be in an evening (8pm to 12am GMT).

I have watched the Mr Happy video to death on you tube.

so how am i'm meant to get better at any of the turns if no one will help me (or anyone new to coil) to practice

Literally WHY? Isn't that guy's video just barfed out as soon as content comes out? You're trying to watch a video for a content that has already changed? I don't care what echo only coil goers say, echo and nerfs to coil changes the fight significantly. Not only that, as time passes, people come up with new strategies and it becomes the new standard. Go ahead and watch a video of non echo coil guide if you want to but consult actual players before you go in. You're in EU I think? Someone in my FC is british and he raids fcob with an outside static at weird hours so I assume that EU players exist in Hyperion. I think your problem is that you're trying to find a static for scob though. Not sure that exists anymore.

[2spooky]

I would like to offer a reverse point of view from the OP

I have finished T5 about a month or 2 ago and have started trying T6

don't have a static group and all the static groups on my sever run outside of what time i have available to be in an evening (8pm to 12am GMT).

I recommend you transfer to a server more suited for your time online. Anyway, I'm on t12 and I haven't even touched t6 yet, just skip to t7/9 and go back to it when your FC wants to do it for shiggles.

[Elusana_Celah]

You wanna know why these people join farm parties?

Because if they join/form a learning party, it'll take them more than 2 hours to get a tank, and he'll leave after the 3rd wipe saying "this is a waste of time, u fu***ng noobs"

Simple as that.
It'll all be fine once people realize nobody has an obligation to know T10 just cuz it's been out for a month.

So we, who have already done our 'learning time' and feel comfortable with the content must continue to wipe for weeks because we have an obligation to let people join our farm groups to 'learn'? You do realize that the number of unskilled players is ridiculous? I mean wipes are going to be so consistent you'll be lucky to see a win at least once a week. I'm not obligated to continue wiping for the rest of my time subscribed to FFXIV because I'm the only one who bothered to use my time to make learning parties.

Yeah depending on what it is, it can take a couple hours. I don't know what people are talking about with the 'rage' as the learning parties I got going people were friendly and patient. Once you get your learning party going, be damn sure you're ready to learn so you can take EVERYTHING in and feel comfortable enough then you can find a clear/farm party, message the party leader and be like, "I got a sol bonus but I feel confident in my abilities that I can perform well. I will leave on my own if I fail." You know that usually works. Even I am willing to give people like that a chance.

Point is, you gotta put forth real effort into learning or you WILL be waiting for learning parties A LOT.