The Unspoken Rudeness

[Dererk]

If I want to get stuff done it is my right to kick the weasels who sneak join.

Why can't I do this? Please tell me. I want progress others who joined for this reason want it so why not. Yesterday I did a clear only T10 then we wer gona do T11 next some left others stayed I asked if people cleared if no what's your experience one said tethers so I put phase 3 T11 progression cleared it about an Hour later. I cleared it last week did I have to put progression ? Nooooo did I yes because they stayed so gave a chance so stop whining about pug abuse or what ever this is getting at people will take chances with you some times but don't expect to stay if you keep mesing up.

[Werhusky]

I see both points.... But I joined shiva farm with my friend for first clears (pre-bonus, the description didnt require prekill else wouldnt have joined) but only after I was sure to know the fight good enough. And we oneshot cleared with em (fascinatingly the most constant farmgroup for shiva I met and we were "noobs" :P ). Also had a WHM join T6 farms a while back.... WHM did his job perfect it was the multi kill xp ppl that wiped us so.......
But yes poping bonus in a farm makes you supicious but I'm not the kind for kicking due to not having the clear... if they derp I replace, but I leave decisions always to the grouplead. They should know HOW they want it.

[Fated]

Did you take charge of the party and push it towards a win by being a leader figure? No? That's what I thought. Most random groups can achieve victory by simply having a leader figure carry the team. Even XxCloud StrifexX can surprise you if you take the initiative.

[Izsha]

Pf creator sets the rule. Don't like it? Start your own. Join and not abide by their criteria? No sympathy, kick. You have 4 options for pf.

*Join silently and meet the criteria/rules.
*don't meet criteria? PM leader and petition your situation.
*Don't join.
*Start your own pf.

I don't care if they want i125 to farm garuda hm lights and you think it's dumb. Their party their rules. Don't like it, don't join, petition your case in pm, start your own. I have zero sympathy for joining a group with requirements written out and choosing to ignore them. If you want to join anyway, pm. No pm and don't meet requirements equals swift and merciless kick.

[Magusrex]

I have enormous amounts of tolerance for people if they try. I will wipe on a boss with you if you are willing to discuss your mistakes and work out a plan to correct them. Feeling like you are the reason a group wipes sucks, it is why I want to help. If I post videos and guides to make it easier for you, carry you through content, spend my time gearing you when I could be doing other things, then you then tell you don't look at what I create for you. "it's only a game". You call me elitist because I expect you come prepared, you act like I am the bad guy(NOT COOL). When you do group content you are entering a social convention that expects you to be reasonably prepared and have a decent understanding of the job you are expected to perform. Insulting you because you make a mistake is rude. Showing up to content unprepared and without the proper knowledge of your job and expecting others to provide you with step by step instructions is more rude and extremely selfish.

[DoctorPepper]

Make a statement in your PF that says you'll kick people that screw up too many times.. problem solved. Not sure if you just want to feel special or if you seriously couldn't figure that out on your own. Shaming people is rude whether you're right or wrong, simple as that, so just kick them and move on. Odds are they will get over it and if they don't and prefer to harass you then blacklist them. The game gives you all the tools you need to deal with this kind of situation.

[Frozenbear]

Make a statement in your PF that says you'll kick people that screw up

ok but you are missing the part where these people don't even read/ ignore the comment and just jump right in.
" Not sure if you just want to feel special or if you seriously couldn't figure that out on your own. Shaming people is rude"
this is a pretty shaming sentence right here, come to that, maybe some of these posters hit a nerve with you hmm?
what you preach, you should practice, hmm?

[KamikazeMan]

I think a solution to this is to give party leaders the option to set up Party Finder so that a player who has yet to clear the content you're looking for members for can't join the party. It's a win/win: the party doesn't have to deal with a liar, the liar doesn't make themselves look silly, and fun can be had once the party forms without worry of somebody ruining that.

[DoctorPepper]

I think a solution to this is to give party leaders the option to set up Party Finder so that a player who has yet to clear the content you're looking for members for can't join the party. It's a win/win: the party doesn't have to deal with a liar, the liar doesn't make themselves look silly, and fun can be had once the party forms without worry of somebody ruining that.

That's discrimination and it will never happen in this game. They wouldn't want players who haven't completed something to feel segregated and unable to join certain parties. If the players want to do that then it's on them and SE doesn't have to take the blame and lose subs over it. The tools are there for players to manage this themselves.

Yes, people can waste your precious time if they join a farm group and don't have it completed. Every farm group I've ever joined looks for that sol bonus message and tries to kick people accordingly anyways though unless something has been negotiated with the player who needs clear and the party agrees.

[KamikazeMan]

That's discrimination and it will never happen in this game. They wouldn't want players who haven't completed something to feel segregated and unable to join certain parties. If the players want to do that then it's on them and SE doesn't have to take the blame and lose subs over it.

Yes, people can waste your precious time if they join a farm group and don't have it completed. Every farm group I've ever joined looks for that sol bonus message and tries to kick people accordingly anyways though unless something has been negotiated with the player who needs clear and the party agrees.

It's no different than requesting specific jobs and a higher than required iLvl in the PF options.