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    EveK's Avatar
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    Eve Knight
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100

    Suggested Improvements to Need/Greed/Pass System

    I'm frequently annoyed by people abusing the flaws in this system to take advantage of honest people. Fixing people is difficult, but it would be very easy to adjust the system via development to at least properly implement what is clearly its intent.

    Right now, you only get a "Need" button for a piece of equipment if it's for your class. As such, the fundamental basis of the system seems to be that you can take precedence over the rest of the group if you're the only one that would actually equip the item as your current class. It would be very easy to just compare item levels. If you're wearing a Level 120 item in your waist slot, you don't actually need that Level 80 waist item that just dropped in Labyrinth of the Ancients.

    Similarly, "Need" should be entirely disabled on things like minions, crafting items, etc.
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    Naria Starcatcher
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    Sargatanas
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    Sage Lv 100
    Oh look, it is this thread again.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 100
    People hit need mainly because they want stuff for seals/desynth not because they want to use some lv80 piece. Everyone seems to hit need when they can for their main job so that is what happens in DF you need if the button is lit up.
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
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    Hows about if you need a gear for a certain role, you run the dungeon as that role so you can need otherwise you really don't want it that much enough to do that. If I roll on something for glamor, my retainers or even for GC seals that I can need on, then I am totally within my right to.

    Or run with a premade with set looting rules.

    Otherwise deal with it.
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 80
    This again?

    Having everyone greed on an item is no different from everyone need on an item, what's the point.

    And I don't think you are entitled to the gear just because your gear sucks more
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    Adulate Prose
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    Mateus
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    Gladiator Lv 52
    Agreed.

    But I think your remedy needs more development. Some folks collect lower level gear for glamoring. Im in the process of getting a full set of Hoplite gear for my PLD, whos Ilvl is 115. Therefore I go to dungeons that drop that stuff as a PLd specifically for the need button.

    That said, you make a valid point. The need/greed system needs more regulation. I ran ST 11 times to get 1 sand of time over the weekend. When I whined about it during the last run of the day Sunday, another player indicated they had 7 (SEVEN!!) sitting on a retainer. I think the system should step in at some point and say "you've got plenty" and kill the need button on upgrade/crafting materials.

    EDIT: before someone stps in and says: "Im saving them for my next class". That's great, but burn those materials as you acquire them. At least that levels the playing field for those folks who would burn them immediately.
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    Last edited by radioactive_lego; 02-18-2015 at 09:59 AM. Reason: Because Trolls

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    N'ico Yazawa
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    I hit need for glamor purposes... I mean look at all the i100 stuff from the new expert dungeons. I didn't need it on any of my classes by the time they released it but I'm still hitting 'need' for the glamor >_>
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    Natashi Tamaruo
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Or run with a premade with set looting rules.

    Otherwise deal with it.
    What she says.


    Quote Originally Posted by radioactive_lego View Post
    the system should step in at some point and say "you've got plenty" and kill the need button on upgrade/crafting materials.
    Nope to this idea.
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    Nico Nico
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    Goblin
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    Alchemist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by EveK View Post
    ....abusing the flaws in this system to take advantage of honest people....
    I don't understand why ppl cannot Need is "honest people"? ^^;
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    Klaus Nomi
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    Cactuar
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    Miner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by radioactive_lego View Post
    another player indicated they had 7 (SEVEN!!) sitting on a retainer. I think the system should step in at some point and say "you've got plenty" and kill the need button on upgrade/crafting materials.
    The only thing this tells me is that he ran ST for sands more than you, and helped a lot more people with the content and his queue. RNG isn't "fair". It never will be. Your odds are just as good as anyone else's. Keep rolling.
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