I give up on PvP - here's why

[Purrfectstorm]

1) Long queue times. 30 min+ queues if you check every pvp box, which doesn't matter because...

2) I always get Slaughter mode. There is no variety in the matching, always get Slaughter mode and Slaughter mode is just the worst.

2a) Limited strategy.
2b) I'm Maelstrom and always lose to Adder + Flames collusion and/or premades. 12+ matches with no wins so far this week.
2c) I'm on ps3 and the mid won't load with 72 people plus nodes there. Just drop ps3 support if you're going to design content in such blatant disregard to ps3 limitations.

3) PvP gear is only good in Wolves' Den unsynced level 50 (which almost nobody does). And yes I know a lot of it has crit/dtr but my demon boots from WoD give me better crit (same everything else) as my pvp crit/dtr boots in Frontline.

3a) It requires an enormous amount of wolf marks to obtain.
3b) It has high rank requirements. My PvE gear has been consistently better than PvP gear of my rank that I can equip.

4) PvP takes too much exp to rank up and roulette doesn't give bonus exp or marks, just more boring tomes. The challenge log would be helpful except...

4a) Nobody does Wolves' Den (see above), queue times are prohibitive, and Maelstrom never wins Slaughter (the only mode anyone ever wants to do).
4b) The exp bonus from the challenge log is slight compared to how much exp you need to rank up.
4c) There are not enough challenge log modes (participate, win). Maybe add kill X nodes, drones, other players, something.

5) Balancing is terrible. I know it's for the sake of shorter queues but I'm so sick of 6 tank, 2 drg 8-person parties. Also BLM are OP and should have their LBs nerfed into the ground but any ranged is still a whole lot better than melee. Pvp abilities for tanks are terrible. We need more abilities to actually let us tank and everyone needs more abilities to get rid of CC effects (considering that IF you have a healer, they will never ever remove a single effect from you).

Yeah this is a rant. So frustrated by the state of PvP in this game.

[PotatoTree]

Yea pvp is pretty bad atm. For 3 though, some PvP pieces are really good if you don't have the dreadwyrm yet, like for off classes. They have good secondary stats. But yea, bad queue times, bad balance, bad strategy, bad lag, and bad dev response. I mean the devs have said jack for this whole time. Not even a "we're looking into it" just a bug fix for cometeor timing was all. And then there are a bunch of stuff that should have been fixed a long time ago, like pvp skill points per class so we don't have to respec every time we change.

It doesn't look like there'd be any relief until 3.0. For now, whenever people ask for mmorpg recommendations and they are even remotely interested in PvP I tell them to steer clear of this game.

[Synestra]

pvp skill points per class so we don't have to respec every time we change.

This is what i have been waiting a while aswell, its annoying when you regulary play 4 diffirent jobs in pvp. Also i kinda agree with OP's 2nd point, getting slaughter 24/7 gets rather boring so gieb some 72man secure now and then.

[RobinRethiel]

This is what i have been waiting a while aswell, its annoying when you regulary play 4 diffirent jobs in pvp. Also i kinda agree with OP's 2nd point, getting slaughter 24/7 gets rather boring so gieb some 72man secure now and then.

Also always annoying to change, because it's stupid to play slaughter with 4-5 healers. But when you change to a DD specc...

[DividedSky]

Have fun in PVE

[HulveinBlitz]

Enjoy PvE, and wait for the changes in 3.0. You may like what they do.

Until then, PvP won't see anything worthy change.

[Iagainsti]

Come to Zalera, Purr. Ill show you how to Marauder pvp, and we have Premade Maelstrom pvp parties in my FC too.

[AntiSocialPanda]

All valid points, but I will say, if you're tired of Maelstrom losing take the initiative and lead them into victory.

Also, have the devs said ANYTHING about PvP in 3.0? Just a kernal of info will keep me satisfied, if anyone knows, please. Square is notoriously bad for their lack of info on games, but this is a freaking MMO, they cant keep ignoring us and only release info when they feel like it.

[ScarletCrusader]

I really have to agree with that PS3 point. That one REALLY is a gripe of PvP. You literally can't play 72man slaughter with a PS3 console. I use a PC and have to turn off my power saver settings (I play with this on everything except 72man and S-ranks) just to play 72 man fights. It's the same as an S-Rank basically, which I know the PS3 can't handle well. And even then, I think the PS3 console needs to hide models and such to get better performance? Well you can't do that in PvP, where the players are your targets (unlike S-ranks). I really think they should add a separate queue option for 24 man otherwise they're clearly locking out PS3 players from this content -- which is extremely bad on SE's part.

[TheWaywardWind]

Hell, I play on the PS4 and slaughter mode is STILL terrible on it. Not that I'd expect some groundbreaking change, but my fps still handily drops down into the 20-35fps range and it's sort of discouraging to play.

If you want to win as Maelstrom, I'd suggest moving over to the primal side of things, where it's (usually) Adders and Maels and at each others throats.

I disagree with you on two things; the PvP exp system and the marks. If you win a Frontline match, you get 600 wolfmarks. Seeing as the most expensive gear is only around ~12,000 wolfmarks per piece, it's really not that much to deal with.

As for PvP rank, it's designed so that it's not something you can get in a week. Granted, while I think it's a bit too much as it currently stands, they shouldn't nerf it too much, because then there's no incentive to continue to play.

But boy, do I miss 72 man secure.