Why Speed Pulls?

[Moqi]

I'm not pretending there aren't more players like you that queue for specific dungeons just becuase they enjoy them

Oh, I have ulterior motives for running a dungeon too, but I always make sure to end up in an instance that I will enjoy. I am currently leveling my desynth and need the loot from 2.2 and 2.3 dungeons, but I never queue for Halatali and Stone Vigil because I am sick of them. And if I need to get in a dungeon that I do not like for Relic purposes (that's pretty much the only time where you have no other options), I make sure to go with at least 1-2 people I know so I can spare randoms my sucky attitude because I am not enjoying myself. I wouldn't rush others just because I don't wanna be there.

[Flipside101]

Even on the first day of new content, people will base their decisions on the composition of the group whether to pull everything and their moms in 1 big ball. If you do a mass pull with 2 melees + a SCH, good luck to you; even a WHM's holy spam isn't going to save you, especially in the newer instances with mobs that have a much higher HP pool. However, if you have 2 BLM's, well... I think you get the point.

More to the point of why people speed run in general: People have other things to do either in game or IRL. They don't want to spend more than 30mins of their time spamming the same button sets in a dungeon. It gets repetitive and boring, especailly in dungeons that don't really require that much thinking; they aren't coil. Not to mention people who need to spam them for Poet cap/ current relic quests. I don't want to see someone be in the news for gouging their eye out over FF.

[IceSpear]

I like to enjoy dungeons to their fullest (like the new Wanderer's Palace <3) but that doesn't mean that we should slow down or speed up. Depending on party composition in the DF it can go really slow e.g two melee or extremely fast with Black mages. And finally it's up to the tank to pull a lot or pull little.

[Malevicton]

So I don't really mind how people get their kicks in game (I don't even judge what certain people do on certain rp servers >.>), but I just want to point out one specific idea that keeps recurring in this thread and others like it: the "I like slow pulls because I enjoy the dungeon" mentality. There's nothing really wrong with it, except that you're assuming I'm not having fun with large pulls. Large pulls are more efficient, but that doesn't mean efficiency is 100% of why people do them. I find them much more fun and engaging, personally.

To reiterate, it's perfectly fine if you don't enjoy the game the same way I do, but please don't assume that just because I like big pulls I must be some sort of brain-dead tome-bot.

[ChameleonMS]

Large pulls are more efficient

This is only true if the group can handle the pull size. Yesterday, during duty expert, playing as my WHM i103, tank WAR i120ish, DPS were a BRD i115ish and NIN about i110ish. The tank was doing large pulls.
AoE burn is not sufficient in this group for large pulls. My healer just isn't strong enough to keep up with pulls that size and the NIN did not seem to understand how to dodge attacks.
We suffered two complete wipes on trash, and I had raise the NIN at least 3 other times during the run. This constant attention needing to be paid to a DPS, meant the tank was getting far too low on health on a repeated basis. Did the tank slow down? Nope, just kept pulling and pulling.

It was a very inefficient run as a result. The saving grace was no one was bickering in the chat. We all just endured and moved on with life.

[Sareal]

but please don't assume that just because I like big pulls I must be some sort of brain-dead tome-bot.

Just like people assume that it means slowing down the group if you won't pull an entire set of trash (12 mobs) instead of 6 mobs. The difference is so slim in time gained that it doesn't even justify efficiency. If you like dancing? Sure. But please don't assume that just because I don't like to pull 12 mobs at a time that I'm some kind of casual brain-dead slow puller bot.

don't act like it will be useless shortly after release.

No your right, it is not useless shortly after release, it is useless before it is even released, it's a game, what is so useful and productive about playing it other than having fun?

To play content that isn't just killing 100 trash mobs.

Too bad that's pretty much all you do in MMOs, grinding stuff and killing trash mobs and bosses. That's what you do even in coil. Why do you run dungeons to get poetics? To get geared and then do what? Run coil? If not, then explain.

[Sareal]

Are we in agreement about what The Real Problem is?

Not sure if we are, because you did not even mention it in your whole post.

[Almalexia]

Not sure if we are, because you did not even mention it in your whole post.

Maybe you speedread my post and missed it.

But seriously.

The Real Problem is the reward system itself, which conditions us to speedrun. One dungeon = one roll. More dungeons = more rolls. We are at the mercy of an indifferent, RNG system and we have been for years.

[Noahlimits]

Because I want to finish dungeons as fast as possible for my 10% chance at a reward. If people are pulling one mob at a time, I'll politely ask for them to speed pull. If they don't want to, I'll just eat the 30 minute penalty and do other in game stuff in that game until I can try again. No time lost for me since I can do other in game stuff I normally do (maps, marketboard stuff, etc) or do irl stuff in the meantime. No point in arguing and name calling. If we have different play styles I just choose to leave.

[Sareal]

No time lost for me

Not only are we not speaking about individual pulls, but the dungeon itself would take less than 30 mins. You would save at most 5 mins on a 20-25 mins run assuming the DPS is equal in both instances. It would still give you a chance at the item in question, and if you had gotten it you wouldn't have needed to wait that extra 30 mins. I understand what your saying but like I said a bit earlier I can reverse it all as well and just take a 30 mins cooldown and let the group find a tank who will speed pull better for them. If you "politely" asked them to speed up, then your out of the question and you aren't one of those people.