Why Speed Pulls?

[Sousoulsu]

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You inadvertently prove my point: You believe that when a good player is relaxed, they play poorly. This is not the case. It takes little to no effort to do things as simple as not refresh dots on a target that is about to die without any real thought on the player's part. Yes, you -are- supposed to Steady Shot when the mob is about to die. Not re-DoT it.
That bit alone disproves any backpedaling you're trying to do.

I'm not at all faking my civility. I don't really feel anything about you one way or the other. Whether or not you're a good or bad player means nothing to me. You brought your personal skill into the discussion, and I addressed it. And you are upset by the manner in which I addressed it. While it's fair to be upset, it doesn't make my observations any less accurate.
Do keep in mind, it was you who brought up your personal skill. There is no sense in being upset at me for following your line of discussion.


I think you should take the opportunity to "bow out gracefully", yourself. You have nothing to provide to the discussion. You've stated your opinion. I've inquired as to how you come to that opinion. You reply with "because". That is not a substantial reason. Since you seem to have nothing more to contribute to the topic, now would be the time to withdraw; especially considering it's a self-admitted sore subject for you.

Take Spooke's advice and let it go. Your approach was flawed from the start.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I read the first sentence and stopped. That's all I need to read. So listen well and don't read into what I say next at all. Take it exactly as it is:

If I mean to say something, I'll say exactly that. Do NOT put words in my mouth. This isn't civil, this is blunt, demanding, and me clearly telling you, do NOT put words in my mouth. Do not find the meaning YOU want from what I say. I say exactly what I mean, and I've meant everything I've said here. I've stated my stance on things, and it's firm. There's what you know, what you THINK you know, then there's what you don't. One of those vastly eclipses the others, and that's the only area I'll leave to your interpretation. If you draw anything from what I say other than what I say, then you are wrong, no matter how much you might want to be right. So, NOT kindly, far from being civil, do NOT put words in my mouth, and definitely do not assume when there's little reason for assumption. That is generally not grounds for a solid argument.

Lastly, your bit about "nothing to add to the discussion", I'm going to call you on your own BS there, as you've taken quite the tangent to try and defame me, not just here but in other threads. And yet again put words in my mouth, claiming this is a "sore subject" for me. It's not a sore subject for me. It's a very old and well-beaten dead horse. A quagmire argument that was never resolved long before you even appeared. You're not the first, you won't be the last. Hell, you're not even the best one to prattle on about this. So - without being upset (again, never said I was, stop making assumptions) - take your own advice and find and effective and optimal way to shove it.

[Sousoulsu]

This has gone past the point of "relevant discussion".

You brought up personal skill. Not me. I responded to it. That's that.
Civilly, cordially, but still bluntly: I encourage you to heed Spooke's advice and let this subject lie. You did not form your argument well from the start, and you are only further disservicing yourself as an individual by continuing on by replying so emotionally.

It is clearly a hot-button issue to you; and it is of my opinion that you would have done best by not replying from the start.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Can't leave well enough alone, can you?

I encourage you to let this topic die just like the rest of them. No one else is even chiming in at this point, I had no intention of arguing in the first place (lest we forget it took 12 pages before I even appeared, and practically stated as such), and the only disservice I do to myself is continuing to actually give you attention here. Stubborn of me, yes, but all too foolish of you.

You're right, it IS a hot-button issue, one of many, and one I'm past the point of any emotional involvement having. It's of my opinion that - again - you just let it die like the many other threads about it in the past. The answer's not going to happen here. The people won't be won over or swayed by anything that's posted here. We can speak our minds, find support for opinions, or debates against them, but it's a topic many are likely to remain divided on. Nobody wins, nobody's going to win. So again, let it die like the rest.

[Sousoulsu]

Nobody was begging for your input in particular. I have no idea why you even bothered to post if it's such a dead horse to you. But you did. And a reply deserves response.

I did not engage you properly until you started posting on-topic posts rather than irrelevant spam. And now that I have, you wish I hadn't.

I do not dislike you. I don't have any feeling one way or the other about you. You're certainly right about one thing, though:
You're stubborn.
Far past the point of rationality.

I will stop replying to you. Any post you make after this that does not address the thread's topic and instead rants and raves about how much you despise me / the subject, I will ignore - if for no other reason than to afford you the last word.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Nobody was begging for your input in particular. I have no idea why you even bothered to post if it's such a dead horse to you. But you did. And a reply deserves response.

I did not engage you properly until you started posting on-topic posts rather than irrelevant spam. And now that I have, you wish I hadn't.

I stated why initially, you glossed over it if only to point out that it was spam. And there you go again making assumptions. THAT is the only thing I wish you wouldn't do.

I do not dislike you. I don't have any feeling one way or the other about you. You're certainly right about one thing, though:
You're stubborn.
Far past the point of rationality.

Feeling's mutual. And the stubborn bit has kept me alive to this day both in-game and IRL. And no, that's not a story I'll divulge either. You're welcome.

I will stop replying to you. Any post you make after this that does not address the thread's topic and instead rants and raves about how much you despise me / the subject, I will ignore - if for no other reason than to afford you the last word.

Oh the irony. . .

[Kaiser-Ace]

Hey Sousoulsu, I'd like to give you an update on my rotations real quick. When I was running WoD the other day I actually found the optimal way to work in and or sub DS into the rotation. Lets just say.... really big targets are easier to line up than hold still..... But i've officially re-worked it into my main rotations. Any improvement is progress in my opinion and I thought I'd let you know since our conversation made me start looking for those opportunities more rather than neglect one of my skills. (The AoE damage is still negligible on it's own but we all know that if a party is relying on DRG AoEs they are certainly not doing so by choice.)

[Sousoulsu]

Hey Sousoulsu, I'd like to give you an update on my rotations real quick. When I was running WoD the other day I actually found the optimal way to work in and or sub DS into the rotation. Lets just say.... really big targets are easier to line up than hold still..... But i've officially re-worked it into my main rotations. Any improvement is progress in my opinion and I thought I'd let you know since our conversation made me start looking for those opportunities more rather than neglect one of my skills. (The AoE damage is still negligible on it's own but we all know that if a party is relying on DRG AoEs they are certainly not doing so by choice.)

That's awesome.
it's like Cure III for me: An ability I found little use for outside very particular circumstances, until I started paying more attention to party's positioning to use my mana most efficiently.
Every little bit helps.

[Sareal]

People who think speed running doesn't take skill are automatically bad.

Run into mobs, spam flash, rotate Fast Blade and Riot blade.

Such Skills.

[Deculture]

Run into mobs, spam flash, rotate Fast Blade and Riot blade.

Such Skills.

Because playing PLD in this game is such a mentally challenging task. At least you have to manage defensives somewhat in bigger pulls rather than mindlessly mashing your 123 combo.