Why Speed Pulls?

[Talia_Hailwind]

Don't you dare tell these people that you think differently.

See, getting angry over nothing.

[Sareal]

That's a bad comparison for your argument.

Because people decide to suicide pull coil does not make it any different. What argument? I'm stating my opinion, I'm saying pulling a trash and killing a trash is the same in any dungeons. The way people decide to handle it has nothing to do with it being different. Just as much as I think killing bosses in coil is the same as killing bosses in dungeons. The point is not really comparing both dungeons but looking at the game as a whole. So basically you are of the opinion that going in coil and wiping because of the same individual when you know you are capable of executing it correctly is different than doing bosses in other dungeons?

See, getting angry over nothing.

Just so we are clear, I'm not expressing my anger at you, I'm just saying I have been the dummy of expressed anger just by telling them I don't agree.

[Iagainsti]

There is a difference between killing bosses in Coil compared to dungeons im sorry to say. I don't think I've had a problem once in any dungeon in this game where going in freshly blind my party couldn't down the boss the first or second try. Going into Coil even knowing all the mechanics for each boss, you're still going to wipe a bunch before you get it down on farm. they're not comparable. With that said, speed pulls on trash in Coil are necessary to eek out those extra minutes to utilize for boss attempt. Outside of my daily roulettes, I don't run dungeons, so yes, I want my Poetry as quick as possible so I can get on to more important (i.e Hunts, Pvp, Coil) content, so speed runs are the way to go.

[Sareal]

There is a difference between killing bosses in Coil compared to dungeons im sorry to say

Well I'm sorry to say that I don't see the difference. To me it's just the same thing.

Going into Coil even knowing all the mechanics for each boss, you're still going to wipe a bunch before you get it down on farm. they're not comparable

Really? Not comparable at all? Okay so, I go into coil, knowing all the mechanics, I can execute the dungeon properly without mistake, but then I depend on my entire team. So this one guy isn't as used to the mechanics as everyone else and we all wipe because we don't meet the DPS requirement...that sounds oddly familiar as anything else in this game, even if the other stuff is easier. What you are saying is the difficulty of execution is different, but once mastered, it really isn't. Press buttons, dodge abilities, execute mechanics. MMO in a nutshell.

[Zedd702]

Nobody is forcing you to speed run, just don't be surprised if you end up getting kicked if the majority of the group wants to play their way and you don't comply.

Good luck on finding that replacement tank lol...

If the tank or healer disagrees to a speed run, it should not happen end of story. DPS wanna pull more mobs to a tank? Let. Them. Die. If they don't like it? They can leave... simple.

[Almalexia]

No, I won't. Not sure where this obsession of placing blame comes from. But no, I won't blame a feature that isn't mandatory. If we are getting them for increasing our chances at beating something harder, there are alternatives and most of all you don't need the relic to even beat the harder content in the first place. If it's for any other reason than gearing up for increasing chances of beating something harder, then it's obviously for the fun of doing it or obtaining it, for vanity and what not, in which case, speeding through the relic steps becomes unnecessary and unjustifiable of toxic behavior.

If you have elected to do Zodiac, it's not fair to dismiss the significance of content at the expense of everybody else with whom you do it. There are many things in the game you don't "have" to do:

You don't HAVE to score positional bonuses with MNK.
You don't HAVE to cast anything more advanced than cure on WHM.
You don't HAVE to wear gear any higher than the minimum ilvl.

You can do less than optimal and still make it through the dungeon, Zodiac or not. But why would you aim low? Why would you take a principled stand against doing more when you and your party are capable of more? If we all do our best, then it's a better experience for everybody.

[Sareal]

But why would you aim low? Why would you take a principled stand against doing more when you and your party are capable of more? If we all do our best, then it's a better experience for everybody.

Because I don't always feel like it. I agree with what you say to some extent, but then, why the toxic behavior over it? Doing our best means speed pulling the entire trash floor even thought the tank did not express wanting to do it? There is probably a difference in opinion on what "doing our best" could be in this case. So basically, since the voice of majority is more "relevant" then I should speed run and if I don't, it means being detrimental to the experience of others? That's kinda one-sided. Like I said, I don't go in a dungeon and force people in slow runs. I do and still speed run when the group is being nice about it. But when they are being ass, it's not better than me going in and being an ass about not wanting to mega speed run.

[Sareal]

People make comments about "dungeon" content and in comes the elitists that make it all about "raid" content...

That's ok. They are probably just missing the point and somehow feeling like the comfort of doing it is threatened, just giving a theory cause I have no idea really. They are using the dungeon part as a stepping stone and debating that speed running should be the way to go because "THEY" find it boring. That's fine, but then, the whole topic is about toxic behavior revolving around that stepping stone. Because you find it boring not to speed run like you want it you feel you should fight all your might against those who disagrees? Like it's been said, the opposite isn't better, but then it's not about the opposite, it's about weither or not complying with those who act tough in the face of change.

[Zedd702]

That's ok. They are probably just missing the point and somehow feeling like the comfort of doing it is threatened, just giving a theory cause I have no idea really. They are using the dungeon part as a stepping stone and debating that speed running should be the way to go because "THEY" find it boring. That's fine, but then, the whole topic is about toxic behavior revolving around that stepping stone. Because you find it boring not to speed run like you want it you feel you should fight all your might against those who disagrees? Like it's been said, the opposite isn't better, but then it's not about the opposite, it's about weither or not complying with those who act tough in the face of change.

You do realize you are quoting my signature and not a comment made in this thread, right?

[Sareal]

You do realize you are quoting my signature and not a comment made in this thread, right?

I do, but I think it applies to here too, which is why I felt like quoting it and adding my 2 cents about it. People just don't seem to understand what I am asking, and that I am not looking for a solution, just opinions.

Edit: Guys if I was looking for a solution I would have stopped at the first response because it was a solution in itself. However I don't completely agree with it and anyway I already stated my own solutions for dealing with the problem. I'm simply trying to get what is on your mind on paper, I wouldn't follow up with questions and comparing your opinions with mine if I didn't. Take this as you will.