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    Sousoulsu's Avatar
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    Kuus Hime
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    Just as you used your own personal experience to support your point that most players who prefer not to speedrun tend to be subpar, I used my own to support a counter-argument to that idea. Do not lose yourself in the details, the larger point is very much there.

    And it's my observation that the exact opposite is true.

    You've been asking valid questions, and have received valid answers that you proceed to pick apart or claim invalid, only to re-ask the question in a perhaps different or more roundabout form. Based on MY observation, you will not be satisfied with any answers or points that do not support your own point. This doesn't make for a very effective discussion on the matter at all.

    So let me just say this: Speedrunning is an OPTION, not a requirement. No instance has ever promoted or demanded players speedrun, so it remains an option, even if a preferred one among the majority of the community. Speedrunning also is a poor indicating factor of individual player skill as it is generally gear-based (and we all agree gear does NOT equal skill, yes?) Speedrunning - as an optional method - does not lend itself well to any other content other than dungeons, therefore again, is a poor indication of player skill (You can excel at raids but not at dungeons, and vice versa.) And lastly, Speedrunning - as a preferred method - is something that if players truly want to do without issue, can be arranged in the party finder, just like players who DON'T like/want to speedrun are so often suggested to do. Remember: OPTIONAL, not REQUIRED.
    Is this you?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIm-p7a4xBI
    If it is; you're decent. There's a few things you outright mess up on (priority of ability use, DoT uptime, CD order) - but since it's a No-tank run, those nitpicks can be written off. No-tank dungeons tend to focus more on the healer's ability than anybody else's, but still.
    There are a few things that make me think, just from this example, that you are not as good a player as you seem to be setting forward in previous posts:
    -Refreshing DoTs on an enemy that will die within seconds (many times)
    -Not refreshing DoTs after they've fallen off a boss enemy until 3+GCDs later
    -Using AoE skills at below the number of enemies that would make them worth using
    -getting hit by AoEs
    -tank-turning (controller)
    Also, despite prior claims, you do not keep aggro consistantly while no-tanking. It's unfeasible to expect, but you claimed you did. And you do not.

    Overall, from this example, I can safely say you are not as good a player as you set forth to back up your claims (as if they are relevant to the notion that "most people who choose not to speedrun are not good players").
    This was posted months ago, so I'm sure you've improved since then. But overall, this is fairly low-quality play, if I am being perfectly blunt with you.

    Again, I never said that everybody who chooses not to speedrun is bad. I just said that in most cases I have witnessed, that has been the case. And I can now chalk you down as "evidence" for that sentiment. I never really wanted to bring up personal skill, but since you did, I feel as though I need to address it.
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    Last edited by Sousoulsu; 02-27-2015 at 03:34 PM.
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