Why Speed Pulls?

[Zedd702]

1)Speed running requires the tank to know when to pop which CDs, when to save bigger ones for certain pulls, and shield swiping properly makes some huge pulls possible. Probably not much so anymore with gear, but it's still a skill-dependent trait.

SR don't really require the use of CD's... I've done SR's with both my 110 WAR & PLD without really using cooldowns at all except on some boss fights or if I herpderp miss an AoE telegraph.

It just seems like you're grasping at straws in order to sidestep admitting that speedruns take more individual skill than single pulls. Which is silly, because if I ask any random person not involved in this discussion, they would agree.

Nope, not grasping straws or sidestepping anything. I'm a realist that sees it for what it is and I don't call a player bad because they don't agree with speedrunning, nor do I force it upon anyone...

I appologize for mixing you up as someone who does not like speedrunning. It seems we disagree on which is more skill-intensive; not on if speedrunning should be done or not. ^^

I've said it once, wait twice, wait three times... Hell I lost count. Anyway I will say it again. SR is governed by gear and is a matter of preference. The ONLY time I'd say it's considered skillful is if the tank that does the SR is at minimal req lvl and applies his/her mind to it and succeeds at doing it as if he/she were overgeared for the specific dungeon.

You cannot attempt a speedrun unless you have gear.

Thank you for proving my point.

[ruskie]

SR don't really require the use of CD's... I've done SR's with both my 110 WAR & PLD without really using cooldowns at all except on some boss fights or if I herpderp miss an AoE telegraph.

I was planing to write something interesting here. But decided against it. *walks away, shaking head in disgust*

if they choose a poor time to e4e (drawing aggro to themselves before tank can get it) - then a speedrun will not be successful.

Only thing that's needed for this to actually work is for the tank to aggro the whole pack instead of a single mob or even just face pull. You grabbed aggro on all? Great I can e4e you the moment I see you coming to a stop(which sadly each tank considers differently). And then I can start to stabilize your HP and after that I can actually maybe holy spam if I feel like doing it(that is up to me and me seeing what you are doing - I've had tanks mass pull then turn off defiance or switch to sword oath - no I will NOT holy carry your arse anymore(yup I'm fed up with mass pullers that then expect to be holy carried)).

Sorry but seen way to many tanks that just face pull or single tag one mob and then go WTF when their HP melts away because I couldn't heal them due to insta aggro. Hell I had tanks tell me not to heal them during pulls - when they ran off with regen still ticking on them.