Why Speed Pulls?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

While it is up to individual interpretation, I've responded civilly to everything in this thread. I am genuinely curious about why people opt to do single pulls rather than multi. You've contributed nothing to this inquiry, and are replying with spam.
{I'm sorry.}

I might sound mean in saying this, and if so, I apologize. I'm being far from it. But it would seem to me that anything less than the answer you might want equals spam, yes?

Again, I'm WELL aware that it's a popular sentiment/method among the community. Believe me, it's not the first "popular" thing I so openly hate. And while I'll still help friends to run content I might dislike, they know where I stand, and they know better than to try to force me into anything. I generally don't and won't tank roulettes (ESPECIALLY High Level, even though it's easy - again, reasons I won't share because I don't have to), and if asked to, I'll politely suggest that they consider someone else instead. If they insist or if there's really no one else, then they understand they will NOT be speedrunning. I will not be speedrunning. It's not a matter of efficiency or comfort, it's my firm boundary I set. Party members either respect it, or they find another tank. No argument, no confrontation. It's purely a path of least resistance, and IMO, rather sporting of me to be upfront about it.

DF, I understand I get what I get. And the choice is ALWAYS mine. If I don't want to SR, I can happily eat a timer and feel nothing for it. Or if perhaps I'm with a friend/someone new, suck it up and deal with it, but I'll openly admit the cold silence and mechanical DPS/healing that would come with it is both an obvious and tense showing of my disapproval. I usually won't even stick around for comms/loot. Again, purely my choice and I'll exercise it any and every time. Popular opinion be damned.

Again, not trying to sound mean, but this is me after having dealt with the "Mythflox" gold rush and all the good and bad of it. It's not that speedrunning is a "bad" tactic, but that the forceful, all-or-nothing, "anything else is boring" approach to it IS bad. When people are excluded/kicked from duties purely for not being part of the "optimal" party setup, yes that bothers me greatly, even if I myself have never had that happen to me (I haven't). When tanks - new tanks - learn that it's what they HAVE to do or they're bad tanks, and never learn or never get the chance to learn that there are other ways to perform their role, I have a HUGE problem with that. The speedrunning itself isn't a problem. The fault lies in the perception and accepted status quo that "anything less is boring" (pure opinion), "I just want to get it over with because I've done it so much" (a personal matter), and the biggest one, "efficiency = speed" (true in some ways, but not absolute). Fact is, if you force any particular play style on others, you're already trading in efficiency for a selfish satisfaction.

And all this, I've said before. But if that's what you needed to satisfy your curiosity, then I consider this a good deed done today.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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By the Twelve THANK YOU!!!! It's about time some one said it.

[Rasylia]

All of it

Couldnt agree more. Thank you for taking the time and congratz for still being calm enough to explain it this way.

[Zedd702]

Win

I could not have put that in better text.

[Sousoulsu]

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it would seem to me that anything less than the answer you might want equals spam

No. Not at all. What you were doing before was unarguably spam, though. You were contributing nothing to the topic and just saying how much you hate speedrunning without giving any reasons why; and when prompted by me, you responded with vitriol.

I understand your viewpoint a bit better, even if it's just fuelled by a generally bad taste from Brayflox HM speedruns. What I have issue with now is that you seem to have a problem with people forcing speedrunning on you - but you quit dungeons when everyone but you wants to speedrun?
Wouldn't you say that's forcing your playstyle on the group?
Majority rules. If you queue into DF and do not conform to the majority party sentiment, that is rude.

Thanks for calming yourself and responding as you did.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No. Not at all. What you were doing before was unarguably spam, though. You were contributing nothing to the topic and just saying how much you hate speedrunning without giving any reasons why; and when prompted by me, you responded with vitriol.

I understand your viewpoint a bit better, even if it's just fuelled by a generally bad taste from Brayflox HM speedruns. What I have issue with now is that you seem to have a problem with people forcing speedrunning on you - but you quit dungeons when everyone but you wants to speedrun?
Wouldn't you say that's forcing your playstyle on the group?
Majority rules. If you queue into DF and do not conform to the majority party sentiment, that is rude.

Thanks for calming yourself and responding as you did.

If I might clarify a few points:

- It certainly goes beyond Brayflox HM, especially given that it is such a popular method. That one is just a very well known case of it.
- If I implied I quit if forced to speedrun, then that was a mistake in the telling. I don't. If with friends and I know they want to, I'll try to decline before we queue, knowing that my preference is not shared by the majority of the group. If I queue DF and I really don't feel like it, I'll either just deal with it, speak up, or at the WORST, leave. And I'm free to do so at any given time. I'm well aware of this freedom and exercise it freely at my own whim.
- Choosing to leave when my preferences are not in line with the rest of the party is far from forcing my playstyle on them. Choosing to stay and disrupt any efforts to speedrun would be forcing. But I opt to bow out and let someone who would share their desire to speedrun join. . . That sounds far more diplomatic to me. I don't have to do something I don't want, and they can have a full consensus among their party (hopefully) with a different member. . . THAT sounds efficient if you ask me.
- Again, I'm aware that I have no say over what I get if I queue with randoms in DF. At the same time however, I am in no way bound to conform to majority party sentiment. Ever. Don't let yourself think otherwise, or you may very well find yourself on the losing end of that some time, and unjustly so.