Why Speed Pulls?

[Sousoulsu]

And yet would you believe there was once a time someone was instant kicked from a dungeon (Brayflox HM to be exact) PURELY because he was a Dragoon?

I could hate speed running purely for that reason alone, but there's still plenty of reasons besides.

I was once kicked from a dungeon for not using Regen on every party member.
is that a valid reason to hate anything aside from those particular misinformed people?

Go ahead and list your reasons to "hate" speedrunning.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I was once kicked from a dungeon for not using Regen on every party member.
is that a valid reason to hate anything aside from those particular misinformed people?

Go ahead and list your reasons to "hate" speedrunning.

Nope. I won't list them, but I will list why I won't:

1. It's none of your business.
2. I've said just about all I need to say on the matter in nearly every thread that's ever existed about it ever.
3. The aforementioned reason lies less with the speed running itself (which I've already mentioned I find boring - this contradicts #1, I'm aware) and more with the negative impact it's had/caused on the community in general.
4. I don't intend to debate with you as we're likely to not agree on the matter. Ever.
5. Plenty of the valid points already made are in line with my own reasons.
6. See #1, #2, and #5.

[Sousoulsu]

Nope. I won't list them, but I will list why I won't:

1. It's none of your business.
2. I've said just about all I need to say on the matter in nearly every thread that's ever existed about it ever.
3. The aforementioned reason lies less with the speed running itself (which I've already mentioned I find boring - this contradicts #1, I'm aware) and more with the negative impact it's had/caused on the community in general.
4. I don't intend to debate with you as we're likely to not agree on the matter. Ever.
5. Plenty of the valid points already made are in line with my own reasons.
6. See #1, #2, and #5.

What you say in this post is that you have no response to my inquiry?
Why even post in the thread, then? What you posted is effectively spam.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

What you say in this post is that you have no response to my inquiry?
Why even post in the thread, then? What you posted is effectively spam.

Oh believe me, it took 12 pages, I think, before I even finally worked up the energy to respond here. Again, see #2. This isn't the first thread about this. This isn't even the fifth one. And this isn't even the tenth time I've said/am saying exactly what I'm saying now. So let me at least try to make it somewhat interesting this time around:

No, you don't get the satisfaction of a counter-argument. I'm not going to bother giving you reasons - factual or opinion based - to attack or dispute. Keep the numbers and the rationalization. Seen it, heard it, still hate speedruns. No matter which class. And frankly, that seems like more of a problem for you than it is for me. I'd wonder why, but I have about as much interest in that as I do speedruns.

[Sousoulsu]

Oh believe me, it took 12 pages, I think, before I even finally worked up the energy to respond here. Again, see #2. This isn't the first thread about this. This isn't even the fifth one. And this isn't even the tenth time I've said/am saying exactly what I'm saying now. So let me at least try to make it somewhat interesting this time around:

No, you don't get the satisfaction of a counter-argument. I'm not going to bother giving you reasons - factual or opinion based - to attack or dispute. Keep the numbers and the rationalization. Seen it, heard it, still hate speedruns. No matter which class. And frankly, that seems like more of a problem for you than it is for me. I'd wonder why, but I have about as much interest in that as I do speedruns.

Yet you take the time and effort to type to me about how little you care about the subject at hand.
If only I had the time to respond to a topic I don't care about~ Maybe then I'd appreciate slowrunning more! :3c

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

While it is up to individual interpretation, I've responded civilly to everything in this thread. I am genuinely curious about why people opt to do single pulls rather than multi. You've contributed nothing to this inquiry, and are replying with spam.
{I'm sorry.}

[Rasylia]

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

AND AGAIN.

You do it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.

PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT SPEEDRUNS =/= BAD PLAYERS.
What is so hard to understand. Just because not everyone is playing at 150%, oing his utmost best, and playing ONLY for effincy doesnt mean he is BAD. He is just relaxed, and doesnt take every little dungeon as T13 raid which requires everyone doing 100%.

[Sousoulsu]

PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT SPEEDRUNS =/= BAD PLAYERS.

While this anecdotal evidence, I have never played with somebody who refused to do speedpulls who was remotely good.

Losing hate to lower-geared DPS, not using cover when hate was lost for an extended period, forgetting poisons and not putting them on even when reminded with sound-macros, not being able to heal through single-pulls, not multi-dotting as SMN.
Things like that, I've seen from a lot of players. But every person who has expressed that they do not want to do speedpulls have done similar to the examples above, in my experience.

not wanting to speedpull does not mean you are a bad player. correlation=/=causation. But it sure is a fairly reliable indicator of it.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

While it is up to individual interpretation, I've responded civilly to everything in this thread. I am genuinely curious about why people opt to do single pulls rather than multi. You've contributed nothing to this inquiry, and are replying with spam.
{I'm sorry.}

I might sound mean in saying this, and if so, I apologize. I'm being far from it. But it would seem to me that anything less than the answer you might want equals spam, yes?

Again, I'm WELL aware that it's a popular sentiment/method among the community. Believe me, it's not the first "popular" thing I so openly hate. And while I'll still help friends to run content I might dislike, they know where I stand, and they know better than to try to force me into anything. I generally don't and won't tank roulettes (ESPECIALLY High Level, even though it's easy - again, reasons I won't share because I don't have to), and if asked to, I'll politely suggest that they consider someone else instead. If they insist or if there's really no one else, then they understand they will NOT be speedrunning. I will not be speedrunning. It's not a matter of efficiency or comfort, it's my firm boundary I set. Party members either respect it, or they find another tank. No argument, no confrontation. It's purely a path of least resistance, and IMO, rather sporting of me to be upfront about it.

DF, I understand I get what I get. And the choice is ALWAYS mine. If I don't want to SR, I can happily eat a timer and feel nothing for it. Or if perhaps I'm with a friend/someone new, suck it up and deal with it, but I'll openly admit the cold silence and mechanical DPS/healing that would come with it is both an obvious and tense showing of my disapproval. I usually won't even stick around for comms/loot. Again, purely my choice and I'll exercise it any and every time. Popular opinion be damned.

Again, not trying to sound mean, but this is me after having dealt with the "Mythflox" gold rush and all the good and bad of it. It's not that speedrunning is a "bad" tactic, but that the forceful, all-or-nothing, "anything else is boring" approach to it IS bad. When people are excluded/kicked from duties purely for not being part of the "optimal" party setup, yes that bothers me greatly, even if I myself have never had that happen to me (I haven't). When tanks - new tanks - learn that it's what they HAVE to do or they're bad tanks, and never learn or never get the chance to learn that there are other ways to perform their role, I have a HUGE problem with that. The speedrunning itself isn't a problem. The fault lies in the perception and accepted status quo that "anything less is boring" (pure opinion), "I just want to get it over with because I've done it so much" (a personal matter), and the biggest one, "efficiency = speed" (true in some ways, but not absolute). Fact is, if you force any particular play style on others, you're already trading in efficiency for a selfish satisfaction.

And all this, I've said before. But if that's what you needed to satisfy your curiosity, then I consider this a good deed done today.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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By the Twelve THANK YOU!!!! It's about time some one said it.

[Rasylia]

All of it

Couldnt agree more. Thank you for taking the time and congratz for still being calm enough to explain it this way.