Why Speed Pulls?

[MrCookTM]

No your right, it is not useless shortly after release, it is useless before it is even released, it's a game, what is so useful and productive about playing it other than having fun?

Ah, playing the 'It's just a game' card. Then what are you even doing here?

Too bad that's pretty much all you do in MMOs, grinding stuff and killing trash mobs and bosses. That's what you do even in coil. Why do you run dungeons to get poetics? To get geared and then do what? Run coil? If not, then explain.

Yes, to run coil. Did you really just say running coil is comparable to facerolling trash in dungeons? I don't even...

No, I won't. Not sure where this obsession of placing blame comes from. But no, I won't blame a feature that isn't mandatory.

You don't get it, right? It's not about placing blame, it's about you asking a question (why do players want to speedrun all day?) and people in this thread giving you the answer. You obviously don't like that answer, so you're not going to accept it despite it being the truth. Waat? ^^

[Sareal]

Ah, playing the 'It's just a game' card. Then what are you even doing here?

I said it's a game for having fun, I didn't say "it's just a game"

Yes, to run coil. Did you really just say running coil is comparable to facerolling trash in dungeons? I don't even...

It's part of the game, so why not? What is so different? Killing trash in coil is just the same as killing trash in dungeons. What's your point? Clarify

You obviously don't like that answer, so you're not going to accept it despite it being the truth. Waat? ^^

He did say "Blame...." So yes, they are trying to pin blame on something, I didn't. And what do you mean I'm not going to accept it despite what being the truth? I have been having conversations with people who were nice enough to come have conversations without being rude. It's probably what you believe but that doesn't make it "THE" truth.

(why do players want to speedrun all day?)

That's what I asked?

[ruskie]

EXPLAIN TO ME, how the heck Mass pulls are THE way to go if you do not want a boring playstyle?

Yup yup and yup. Wish I could give you a thousand likes.

I'll add on top of that tanks that think that because they overgear they don't need to use any CDs and can eat all damage.
Or even more fun... tanks that will mass pull... then drop their tank stance... Or that go and mass pull with 2 melee.

But the one I hate the most - You'll grab one mob... then run to the next pack and again only grab one mob... and repeat until you have all you can find.

By the time you stop you are dead. I can't place a single heal on you or e4e or stoneskin because you haven't grabbed the packs properly. And 99% of the time
you won't use a single CD.

And then there's the usual - healer is at half MP... rushing off and grabbing the next pack... while regen is still ticking on you...

don't be afraid of failure to try something different.

While I love your attitude and this in general - I've seen too many players that will chew out whoever they perceive as failing.

Other than the usual insults I've heard personally a couple that stuck in my head: "s*** in your eyes" "cardboard healer"

And then there's the usual one wipe on a mass pull: "good luck"(if they say anything) quits

[Lancelot_Kahn]

Solution is very simple to avoid speed pulling dngs, ask nicely at the start if you are in DF. Even better form your own pre-made group, you can run a dmg anyway you like.

As much I dislike speed runs, this thread is simply turning into, it's "all about me, me, me!" whining and not about finding a solution.

[Wintersandman]

As much I dislike speed runs, this thread is simply turning into, it's "all about me, me, me!" whining and not about finding a solution.

Agreed and the only real solution is communication on all sides of the coin. Tanks with their groups. I was in Tam Tara last night and first started off in at the beginning to test the group. The healer was reluctant to Holy on moderate sized pulls so I decided to switch into my dps gear after the first boss and then danced between SwO and ShO. From there I proceeded to dance all the way to the last boss. The healer was amazing but it didn't serve any benefit to do incredibly large pulls when he wouldn't Holy and there was no BLM in the group. During the dungeon I said "Let me know if you want me to change back into Fending Gear". The healer said "you're not in fending gear?". Then at the last boss he goes "Have you been in SwO the whole dungeon?"

So morale of the story. Communication lead to a faster/smoother run. Wasn't huge pulls but were large enough everyone could manage.

[Sareal]

this thread is simply turning into, it's "all about me, me, me!" whining and not about finding a solution.

That's because it never was about finding a solution in the first place. It's turning into whatever you perceive it turning into. People can whine if they want, whining is not always a bad thing per say. Your solution is just the opposite of "if you want to speed run just find a pre-made group" which I agree but both sides of the coin don't always want to go through the trouble of making a pre-made group, we don't always have friends at disposition either. The point of the thread is more about making a conscious choice between going along with whatever you are asked or told to do or leaving them be by quitting and accepting the consequences. People are giving their opinions from their side of the coins, and it is their right, just as much as it is our right to not always agree with their opinion, even if completely selfish and unconsidering.

[Talia_Hailwind]

Some Speed runners remind me of people in cars trying to get home after a day at work.
They drop all common sense, get mad over nothing and just HAVE to rush.

I hate rush hour.

[Iagainsti]

Lets see.
Mass pulls:

Tank Spamming Flash/Overpower
Heal Spamming Cure/CureII
Dps spamming 1-2 kind of AOE

Medium/Small Pulls

Tank being able to use proper Rotations and Aoe
Heal being able to use SS/Adlo as dmg prevention while DPS-ing
Dps using proper Rotations and/or Aoe

EXPLAIN TO ME, how the heck Mass pulls are THE way to go if you do not want a boring playstyle?

if youre just spamming flash or overpower, ouch. when I pull huge pulls, im popping beserk, bloodbath, infuriate, point is im doing 300-400 a hit each mob with Overpower. That's how a tank should contribute.

[Sareal]

They drop all common sense, get mad over nothing and just HAVE to rush.

Don't you dare tell these people that you think differently. "Everyone does it, so why not?" It's kinda weird that a lot of people can perceive a simple question as a huge threat towards their comfort of being. Seriously what is so threatening about asking others about their opinions on the matter. Just because I'm asking a question means I cannot disagree with their point of view? If I had to agree with everything everyone sent my way then what is the point of even asking in the first place? I can keep the conversation going as long as there seems to be interests.

[Iagainsti]

It's part of the game, so why not? What is so different? Killing trash in coil is just the same as killing trash in dungeons. What's your point? Clarify

Trash pulls in Coil? most of the time they're suicide pulls bc what good is wasting time killing trash? So again speed runs come out on top bc you want those extra minutes for boss attempts, not useless take your time trash mobs. That's a bad comparison for your argument.