Why Speed Pulls?

[Almalexia]

But hey, I get the point, I am a selfish **** who is literally "forcing" others into a slow run (clearly). For any future readers, know that the topic has fleshed out, and while I may not be the best at expressing what I want to express, insulting me won't stop me from crying about the real problem. If you think I am selfish because I am tired of seeing people try to impose their "Speed Running" pulls onto me I don't see why they wouldn't be any worse than me...except that I never actually went "WELP I WONT SPEED PULL CAUSE YOU ARE A ****" If it ever goes to the point of needing to deal with it like needing to deal with highschool drama I will simply leave and let them find a better tank who will speed pull better than me.

Are we in agreement about what The Real Problem is?

We've been speedrunning dungeons since 1.0 because of the slot machine reward system. [large quantities of people who want reward] + [intermittent reward payout] = play that tends towards efficiency: we want to squeeze in as many rolls as we can in our limited playtime. It's a perfectly reasonable attitude. And let's not forget the unluckiest of us, who probably want to spend as little time as possible in the same dungeon we've run dozens of times already.

We all remember WP abuse and Mythflox, but Zodiac turned the whole thing up to 11. Tens of thousands of players are running each of the lv.50 dungeons an indefinite number of times. As someone who is also doing Zodiac, surely you can sympathize with the soul-crushing horror of RNG.

What I'm getting at is: if the party is willing and able to bullet through the dungeon and you're stonewalling them because "I dun wanna" then it is selfish of you under the circumstances. The Real Problem is not you or them, but if you're not earnestly trying to mitigate the effects of The Real Problem then you're exacerbating them--and that's gonna rile people up.

You don't have to give a shit because it's unenforceable, but I like to think there's a social contract when playing with others online. A little bit of I-don't-waste-your-time-you-don't-waste-mine kinda thing.

[Moqi]

We've been speedrunning dungeons since 1.0 because of the slot machine reward system. [large quantities of people who want reward] + [intermittent reward payout] = play that tends towards efficiency: we want to squeeze in as many rolls as we can in our limited playtime.

It's only a problem if you make it so by not pacing yourself. Everything in the game is designed to take a certain amount of time: if you want to speed the process up by incessantly farming content you can, of course, but it's souring your gaming experience too. I don't look at the time when I'm ejoying myself. If it didn't drop today, it'll drop tomorrow, I took my time for my relic, even breaks of weeks during Atma and Novus, yet I am almost done with collecting lights (last stage) and my performance hasn't suffered since my weapon is still good enough for the content I am doing (and if it came to the point where it wasn't, I have a faster, stronger alternative in Shiva's staff).

It's like how people are obsessed with capping tomes when I am pretty sure you don't even have to run an expert roulette every day to cap them, let alone all of them every day. But some people want 450 tomes in one day and it's their right! If the devs didn't want you to do that they'd have made it impossible, but if you're pacing yourself and taking your time I can assure you that you can get everything done in a reasonable time without worrying about anything but have fun from when you log in to when you log out. I'm not trying to be condescending but that honestly has never been a problem for me. Whenever I was starting to get frustrated about atma drops or how many more times I would have to run something for that things I wanted I would just stop it altogether before it became unenjoyable, did something else and came back to it when the feeling was gone.