Why Speed Pulls?

[Sareal]

Don't, if you don't want to speed run, as a tank you don't have to. You are the one that sets the pace of the duty, if rest of party doesn't like it, they can leave. If anyone tries to pull extra packs into your pull, let them tank it. This is a game, play it the way YOU enjoy it, and don't let others dictate how you play.

Thank you for the support! I have been literally leaving these groups lately because I don't even feel like dealing with it. I am not in a hurry, a little 30 min timer won't scrape me.

Nobody is forcing you to speed run, just don't be surprised if you end up getting kicked if the majority of the group wants to play their way and you don't comply.

I would be far from surprised if I get kicked for not going fast enough even though I am going at a really good pace. I am simply just not pulling as much as everyone else is or how much they are asking. I have seen people use the kick system for much less than this.

[BlaiseArath]

My advice to you is this. When I queue as tank or healer, I will abide by the groups(The majority, no individual whiners) wants to make the run go more smoothly, because to me Its about putting the team before yourself, this is called being a team player. I may personally enjoy speedier runs when I tank but I will slow down and do lesser pulls if the healer can't handle it or the DPS don't want too. This effect goes both ways. So maybe stop thinking about you as the center of the universe and try thinking about being a team player the best way you can.

This doesn't mean you have to bend your will to every jerk who comes your way, as I said above. The majority rules, not individual whiners. Judge each situation the best you can. It may not be what you "want", it may not be what i "want", but I can find joy in being a team payer. But again, I'm a team player, and I feel no one individual determines the speed of the run. Play as a team the best you can. Maybe its a loss concept these days when everyone is a unique special snowflake to play as a team and to respect others as you respect yourself.

And to be perfectly frank, if you're going to pull the "its my money I play how i want!" you're every bit as selfish and detrimental to this game as the people complaining to speed run when its clear others do not want too. So many people here always has the selfish "me first" attitude and they don't seem to realize the "Yah, f**k them!" attitude is just as bad as the people you're complaining about. You're all so quick to be vindictive and spiteful of those people that you can't even see the hypocrisy of the statements.

Take a step back, calm down, and be a team player. You'll often times find talking to people in the dungeon goes a long way to building a solid understanding between your team. Its not hard to be social or to compromise... you just gotta take the first step. And this approach has its own rewards.

[Sareal]

When I queue as tank I'm prepared to either speed run or take it slow depending on party composition, gear, and what the majority wants. If the other three players want a speed run, I'm not going to pull three mobs at a time when I know I'm perfectly capable of tanking everything up to the first boss in a huge pile for those two pyromaniacs black mages.

This is what I used to do, until I got enough of it. Sometimes I don't feel like speed pulling like crazy. However, it seems lately it has been increasing and especially when I am trying to farm the steps for my Zodiac. I don't even try to deal with it anymore. You are in a hurry? Good, now find another tank.

[QuinceTaru]

Must the ppl that speed run dungeons now due it because they are doing it for Zodiac drops, i think ppl wouldn't be in such a hurry if you didnt have to do the dungeons 40 times sometimes before you got the drop. I agree with you though sometimes it rather annoying to have other ppl pulling mobs cause they think you should go faster. But i blame SE they made it so if you dont speed run the amount of time it takes to do some things can be extremely long.

[BlaiseArath]

That mindset is every bit as detrimental and useless to the community as the people you are complaining about in the OP. Don't compromise your own good will because others lack theirs. Retaining your own integrity may be hard in an ocean of jerks sometimes, but I mean, try to stay afloat instead of drowning in it. Be the better man/woman!

[Sareal]

And to be perfectly frank, if you're going to pull the "its my money I play how i want!" you're every bit as selfish and detrimental to this game as the people complaining to speed run when its clear others do not want too.

Nope, I do not do that. I just leave the group when I don't want to deal with it. They can find another tank, that's not a toxic behavior. What would be a toxic behavior is forcing your habits on others. I don't force my habits on others. I always think of the team before me, however, when the team does not care about what I think or want to do, why should I comply to such selfishness?

[BlaiseArath]

The "Reply with quote" button seems to just be broken for me, Its just perpetual broken "loading".

I always think of the team before me, however, when the team does not care about what I think or want to do, why should I comply to such selfishness?

If you get truly dickish people, Well, yah, Leave. Its a case by case situation, but just blanketing it all with "I'm going to pull slow, f**k everyone" is what I'm saying is a negative, and some of your posts, and mostly just the bad advice you're being given here, has been to "f**k everyone do what you want", and I don't think you should follow that advice.

As I said above,

You'll often times find talking to people in the dungeon goes a long way to building a solid understanding between your team an can be fun getting to know people. Its not hard to be social or to compromise... you just gotta take the first step. And this approach has its own rewards.

Just do your best to bring a peaceful resolution to speeding or not, if you can't, Its sad, but i would say as long as you at least attempted to compromise or discuss it, you've got my approval to just leave them or do whatever you want. If all reasonable course fails, you're left with one inevitability. You are the tank, and you have the power. Sometimes it won't be worth the hassle to deal with people, and i understand that. Moving on is perfectly acceptable.

My take away from this is simply, do your best to come to an understanding, don't default to "fk it" like the advice some people have given you here.

[Sareal]

My take away from this is simply, do your best to come to an understanding, don't default to "fk it" like the advice some people have given you here.

I am a human, the situation is much more complicated than queueing for a dungeon and knowing full well at just what pace I'm going to pull. No, it is far from this. It is a mix of mood and people's behavior towards me. I will always ALWAYS try to make a deal with those harassing me to pull too many. I probably won't ever pull the whole first row of trash in Amdapor Keep normal, however I can chain 2-3 pulls and pull faster...just not the entire row. Anyway, when I go into a dungeon and the first thing I'm told is "Do big pulls!!!!!!!!!!!!" is frustrating. How about this? "Feel free to do big pulls!" or even "We would love if you did big pulls" instead of the occasional jerks who stand there without saying anything, waiting for me to keep going and then giving up and force pulling shit into me.

[Chihaya]

Nope, I do not do that. I just leave the group when I don't want to deal with it. They can find another tank, that's not a toxic behavior. What would be a toxic behavior is forcing your habits on others. I don't force my habits on others. I always think of the team before me, however, when the team does not care about what I think or want to do, why should I comply to such selfishness?

Works both ways, much like they are "forcing" you to speedpull, you are "forcing" them to slow down - and what bullshit when you say you think of the team when clearly you place yourself above them and dont give a crap about what they think.

But you are right, you dont have to comply to such "selfishness" as they dont have to comply to yours, just leave like you said and quit crying about it.

[lotti]

i usually don't speed run, but play a normal paced, sometimes the other member insulting me of course and this is not a problem for me, no one die, so i feel well with myself..bu many other sometimes kick me..i report all to SE, and often i keep the vid of that..

i don't really care about herassment, but i hate be kicked because i don't speed run..SE need to do something about the vote to kick system..