Why Speed Pulls?

[Eye_Gore]

This whole "the tank decides anything" is complete bs! He's a party member like everyone else, period. If everyone in the party agrees on a speedrun and the tank refuses just 'because he can'

Every time I enter an instance I always ask what the party wants to do. If any one is leveling, pull one or more mobs, full clear etc.. Very few does anyone say full clear. Alot just don't say anything. But out of people who do respond, the majority of answers is "you're the tank its up to you". Maybe people just don't like to make decisions, thus why they don't tank. The majority of the people though seem to want to leave it up to me.

[Sareal]

we do it because we have to for poetics/zodiac items/whatever, not because they're fun

I do it for poetics, zodiac and items, but especially because I find them fun, otherwise I wouldn't even bother doing them...you know why? SE pumps out content so fast that everything you worked for will be useless next content tier patch anyway.

There's no reason to not get out of them asap.

There is, but you probably simply refuse to see those reasons because of reasons.

Running dungeons is boring as fuck

Why do you play? Showing off?

[Moqi]

But just how much time are we saving here?

So little you can barely notice. Hell, I had a tank pull every single group separately in Braflox HM, and I never felt it was taking that much longer than room-wide pulls.
At the end of the day I play to have fun. If those 40 minutes I spent in a dungeon were enjoyable, who cares if I could have done it in 10, game served its purpose anyway.

[Sareal]

So little you can barely notice. Hell, I had a tank pull every single group separately in Braflox HM, and I never felt it was taking that much longer than room-wide pulls.

My take on it is that it probably takes even longer because there is so many mobs taking so much space and so many AoEs you spend more time dancing than DPSing, then the healer has to pump out more heals and has no time to even DPS at all...decreasing the overall DPS. Nevertheless, no matter what is more efficient, the difference in time gained or time loss is barely noticeable. Were speaking seconds here, not dozens of minutes. I completely agree with you on every front.

[Eye_Gore]

Were speaking seconds here, not dozens of minutes. I completely agree with you on every front.

I thought I saw somewhere that somebody said they could do Brayflox HM in less than 10 minutes. Have to wonder what the difference actually is. Someone should do a test. Full level synched players pull the whole first room vs one by one mob and see what the time difference actually is. I'm just starting to get into the big pulls and doing them with full ilvl110 synched parties those huge groups go down in maybe a minute give or take, which is faster than a pull by pull.

[Noira]

I learned the hard way as tank that just because your party is in dreadwrym, doesn't mean they can handle giant pulls despite demanding it ._.

Coil gear =/= being able to effectively speed run.

After that incident a couple of times, I from then on just ask whether or not the party wants a medium or small pulls.

Giant pulls are for friends/fc only :x.

So just ask them what the pace will be and from that place a level of performance expected from yourself and the party.

[Seryl199]

I too play dungeons for the sake of enjoying them. As a healer, I'm indifferent to the tank's pace. If they pull big, I heal, small pulls I dps. I always allocate time appropriately when it comes to dungeons, you never know when you'll get a fresh tank or lacking dps. Finishing fast is just a bonus to me.

[MrCookTM]

I do it for poetics, zodiac and items, but especially because I find them fun, otherwise I wouldn't even bother doing them...you know why? SE pumps out content so fast that everything you worked for will be useless next content tier patch anyway.

These content tier patches come out every 6 months and even then the former tier is still relevant for at least another month or two, don't act like it will be useless shortly after release. If running dungeons is fun for you, that's cool and your personal opinion and i respect that. But let me remind you what your original complaint was: people want to speedrun to get the stuff done quickly. Might this be the case because, you know, there are lots of other people like me that don't enjoy running the same, unchallenging 'tank and spank content' that doesn't drop useful (outside of desynth) stuff all over again, just to i.e. cap poetics? Hmm yeah, if you encounter a ton of ppl insisting on speedruns, this might be the reason...

Why do you play? Showing off?

To play content that isn't just killing 100 trash mobs. It's cool the first few times because it is well designed, i love how much love SE puts into the details and I like the atmosphere and music of some of the instances. But gameplay wise it's just faceroll through it without thinking (which it has to be in order to be DFable without frustrating wipefests) and thus, i do not find it fun. That's just it.

[Moqi]

Might this be the case because, you know, there are lots of other people like me that don't enjoy running the same, unchallenging 'tank and spank content' that doesn't drop useful (outside of desynth) stuff all over again, just to i.e. cap poetics?

I'm sorry that you feel like you have to do things you don't enjoy in a videogame.

[MrCookTM]

I'm sorry that you feel like you have to do things you don't enjoy in a videogame.

You don't have to feel sorry about anything, that's what I expect when I decide to play an rpg or an mmo more specifically. Grinding the same stuff repeatedly over and over in order to achieve something is just in the nature of the genre. Of course I also expect
other ppl that have to do the same boring grinds to do it as fast and effecient as possible, and that's exactly the point of this thread: alot of ppl (includung you it seems, correct me if I'm wrong) apperently don't expect that...