Why Speed Pulls?

[Noahlimits]

Not only are we not speaking about individual pulls, but the dungeon itself would take less than 30 mins. You would save at most 5 mins on a 20-25 mins run assuming the DPS is equal in both instances.

It depends on the dungeon. Doing pulls one at a time in Wanderer's palace, for example, can make the run take 15-20 minutes. Doing a full pull until the first boss, full pull until the 2nd boss, full pull until the third boss can finish the dungeon in roughly 5-6 minutes with decent dps. Same story with Haukke HM or any number of other dungeons. The only dungeons that might only have a five minute difference are the newest ones since they put forced stoppage points in them.

[Sareal]

The Real Problem is the reward system itself, which conditions us to speedrun. One dungeon = one roll. More dungeons = more rolls. We are at the mercy of an indifferent, RNG system and we have been for years.

That's like saying we are all victim of an higher power that forces us to get these things. I don't agree with that the real problem is the reward system itself. To me, the real problem is people who assume I will pull the entire sets of trash without asking, and then imposing it onto me. Most people will then say I impose my "slow runs" on others, fair enough, however I don't do it the same way that others do it to me. If I start pulling at my pace and nobody complains, whats the deal? If they complain, then I will either speed up or leave, how did I impose it the same way they did to me?

[Iagainsti]

Warrior is my main for PVE content, personally after I run a dungeon once, it loses it's thrill. If I'm just poetry farming, I'd rather do it as fast as possible to get it out of the way for the day. I approve of speed runs! maybe I'm bias because a warrior best tanks when he has more mobs than he can handle. POP cds, Infuriate>Internal Release>Berserk>BloodBath> keep your stacks for extra crit and just Overpower your tp awa. Steel cyclone before Beserk is up. self heal that madness

[Sareal]

Doing a full pull until the first boss, full pull until the 2nd boss, full pull until the third boss can finish the dungeon in roughly 5-6 minutes with decent dps. Same story with Haukke HM or any number of other dungeons.

Even through full pulls, I have never personally experienced such a huge time gain. In most instances I experienced we have actually been wasting more time than saving it by pulling 12+ mobs. But my main point isn't really about efficiency itself but rather annoyance. I don't personally particularly care if the dungeon that should take 6 mins ends up taking 15 mins, but assuming you will queue in DF with pugs and get a 6 mins run is rather...strange...just like I think queueing for titan EX and expecting a 1-shot kill is strange.

[Noahlimits]

Even through full pulls, I have never personally experienced such a huge time gain. In most instances I experienced we have actually been wasting more time than saving it by pulling 12+ mobs. But my main point isn't really about efficiency itself but rather annoyance. I don't personally particularly care if the dungeon that should take 6 mins ends up taking 15 mins, but assuming you will queue in DF with pugs and get a 6 mins run is rather...strange...just like I think queueing for titan EX and expecting a 1-shot kill is strange.

Runs that fast require the healers to DPS. A WHM doing holy spam in WP for example, should get you 6 minute runs even with shoddy dps. Considering I mainly go into the dungeons as a WHM, that's probably why my runs are so fast. It's not really a speed run if your healers aren't dpsing 90% of the time doing stance dancing. And while it's fine that you don't care if your 6 minute run takes 15, it does for me since I'll have to spam that same dungeon 10+ times to likely see the rng drop I need.

[Kerwin]

If I'm tanking the dungeon, DPS don't pull initial aggro on mobs. You are just going to get my healer killed and you are just being an ass. Usually not a problem, but I meet the occasional special snowflake.

[Sareal]

I'll have to spam that same dungeon 10+ times to likely see the rng drop I need.

We are all in the same boat. I am farming for these zodiacs too, I'm just as frustrated as you to not see them drop (probably not, tbh) and yet I don't feel an urge to pull everything at once unless I really need to. However you do realize that most pug healers out there don't even DPS at all?

I meet the occasional special snowflake.

Been meeting them more than the average player lately.

DPS don't pull initial aggro on mobs. You are just going to get my healer killed and you are just being an ass

Look, if they asked me if I wanted to speed run or pull more before, then fine, so I can choose my next action before it gets out of hand for me.

[Noahlimits]

We are all in the same boat. I am farming for these zodiacs too, I'm just as frustrated as you to not see them drop (probably not, tbh) and yet I don't feel an urge to pull everything at once unless I really need to. However you do realize that most pug healers out there don't even DPS at all?

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy. That's also why I go into the dungeons as a healer. I expect fast runs so I do my part to achieve them. If the party is going slow and have no desire to speed run after I inquire, I leave.

[ChameleonMS]

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy.

Nope, PuG healer do not bother because the healer cannot depend on the group to perform well enough that there is time to DPS. Too many bad tanks not using buffs, or DPS not dodging attacks.

[Ooshima]

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy. That's also why I go into the dungeons as a healer. I expect fast runs so I do my part to achieve them. If the party is going slow and have no desire to speed run after I inquire, I leave.

Actually, because of that I choose to do by Zodiac as a BLM instead. Longer queue times probably but it isn't that bad (5-10 mins average?).

You can enter as a WHM but if you get 2 melees you are still a goner. But as long as I am a BLM, I can ensure that the run ends faster than any other options. If the tank is going to pull pack by pack then as a WHM you can't possibly have the MP to holy spam them all, but as a BLM I can Flare them all. Pug tanks are more likely to pull more packs with a BLM than without.