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  1. #31
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    I understand your frustration personally. I can't stand speed runs, because either I'm healing or the friend I'm always running dungeons with is healing. It's not fun for either of us when we feel the stress of "if we don't kill these things, we wipe", it's something neither of us like. But at the same time we do want things running at a good pace. Good pace being 1-2 groups are grabbed, they're burned down, then we continue. None of this "let's pull everything between the bosses, surely nothing can go wrong!" idiocy I see from a lot of tanks. Considering you seem to be leaning at 1-2 groups, you're perfectly fine IMO.
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    Good pace being 1-2 groups are grabbed, they're burned down, then we continue. None of this "let's pull everything between the bosses, surely nothing can go wrong!" idiocy I see from a lot of tanks.
    I love you because you actually understand what I am trying to express here. I realize a lot of people would be okay with the pace I pull, yet lately with the zodiac steps I have been finding more and more people who literally expect me to pull the entire instance in 1 pull. You know, like those people expecting to queue for Titan EX on DF solo and getting a 1-shot kill without much struggle.
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  3. #33
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    It's because those people are not playing the game for fun, they're playing the game for the shinies. That means capping Poetics through the EX Roulette in the shortest time possible, meaning mass pulls. And they will act like efficiency is on everyone's minds, you do one thing that isn't "efficient", you're out of your mind, you're stupid, you're bad, you need to L2P.

    It's a sad time indeed when people actually talk about efficiency in a game.

    So yes, they are in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gralna View Post
    Don't, if you don't want to speed run, as a tank you don't have to. You are the one that sets the pace of the duty.
    xD Until the healer decides to bring you the ohter ones...

    That can really mess up more, effectively delaying the clear with a wipe more than a 2-pull would have cost.
    Or you decide as tank to pick them up and being not the a*hole the others are, and be the smarter one of the four-in-misery.

    Unfortunately, it´s just natural behavior, encouraged by the game design. Most Content is not designed to be fresh long time, and many stuff like the Relic Quest forces you in old content often! [0]
    So most people you encounter in DF/Roulette are there for a quick bonus.

    I think, the way to enjoy this game for you would be get a FC, get a bunch of peoples you like to play and joke around in voice-chat, and do your dungeons at the way you want. fortunately, you can do High/Expert on full pre-mades.

    [0] doing my second relic, visiting much old dungeons once for animus stage, and again for final stage... (accepted quest beforehand and hope some Animus Dungeons will drop their item as well).
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    It's because those people are not playing the game for fun, they're playing the game for the shinies. That means capping Poetics through the EX Roulette in the shortest time possible, meaning mass pulls. And they will act like efficiency is on everyone's minds, you do one thing that isn't "efficient", you're out of your mind, you're stupid, you're bad, you need to L2P.

    It's a sad time indeed when people actually talk about efficiency in a game.

    So yes, they are in a hurry.
    Terrible logic there. So you think it's less fun to test your abilities to their limits than it is to take it slow? Small pulls bore me to hell, regardless of role.

    Best answer here to OP's question of "why speed pulls?" is just simply "why not?". It's more fun (unless you're just bad) and more efficient. Double your pleasure, double the fun.™
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    Terrible logic there. So you think it's less fun to test your abilities to their limits than it is to take it slow? Small pulls bore me to hell, regardless of role.
    I highly disagree. I could reverse all of it. I could say that it's a terrible logic and that there is less fun in trying to optimize everything when there clearly isn't a need to, putting much pressure where it isn't needed.
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    People who talk about efficiency make me laugh, like you're not wasting your time playing a video game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
    People who talk about efficiency make me laugh, like you're not wasting your time playing a video game.
    man people really need to step back sometimes right lol...

    you want to place blame OP? blame the aetheryte's. Their efficiency of travel has created a sense of haste in everything we do in this game...
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  9. #39
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    I'm guessing some people just hate having to run outdated content for Alex maps and the Zodiak piece. That's the only reason I que as a tank, hoping for two non sucking aoe classes.
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    Why Speed Pulls?

    If you doing instances before reset, people are always in a rush just because of that.

    Anything other than that.

    People are probably really bored or hate that dungeon.

    I hate most of the expert dungeons so when people speed its like praise thee oh speedy one.

    Like I said before, your the tank you make the call. If you aren't going to speed run, just say it at the start of the pt.

    If people whine, and try to pull for you - let them die.

    They risked joining a roulette without a full group of buddies. If they expect to speed all the time, well tough luck.

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    OP

    The truth of why people speed is this game doesn't have any crowd control mechanics.
    If you wanted people to go slow, suggest that to SE.
    Till then, the mobs aren't as dangerous and thus to a player can be pulled in large groups.
    No Threat = Fast Run.
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