Why Speed Pulls?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You have a very good point, Mendalas, but even as a healer, I'd agree: you pull it, you tank it. Sure, accidents do happen, and I totally don't mind that, but if a DPS oversteps their bounds and intentionally goes off to pull another pack of enemies and expects the tank to just deal with it, then I'm not so forgiving. Now as a DPS, I know not to try to out-tank my tank. If one gets away from him or if I accidentally pull one (Read: ONE) extra enemy, let me handle him. I can put on my big girl panties and take a few hits, if only to cover the healer/buy the tank some time to help me out.

Selfish as it might seem to let a DPS tank something they pull, it's more selfish for the DPS to overstep their tank and pull more than he may/may not have intended.

[Mykll]

If one gets away from him or if I accidentally pull one (Read: ONE) extra enemy, let me handle him. I can put on my big girl panties and take a few hits, if only to cover the healer/buy the tank some time to help me out.

If I accidently grab one (not run ahead and pull, if I somehow get agro on a single in a pack we currently fighting) I'll hover close to the tank. Easy if melee I'm already there. Then I will attack something else. Gives the tank an easier time getting agro back if I'm not continuously wailing away at it. Unless, it is a squishy or otherwise fairly close to dead. Then I'll huff and puff and flail and wail until I can't flail and wail anymore and it is dead. Usually that doesn't happen, I attack first what the tank pulls first, or marks, but, eh, stuff happens.

[Iagainsti]

Speed running is a skill, have to argue(and I'd win) that it takes more skill and knowledge of cooldowns and their timers, positioning, and all around guts really. I'm not sying that non speed runners aren't good players, if you want to snail trail the dungeons, by all means, I just don't waste that time I guess. anyway, to those tanks not popping CDs for massive "to the boss pulls" you're not "speed running" bc you are waiting on healer mp. Anyway, I've been tanking since been tanking(FFXI) and years of 20 min trash fights in that game and I'm glad I can finish repetitive dungeon runs in 20 mins and those who don't want that have too much time on their hands.

[Staris]

People who think speed running doesn't take skill are automatically bad.
It's not about pulling a certain amount of mobs or getting through in X amount of time, its about improving oneself and the synergy of ones group to beat it faster than the last time you did it, with whatever gear you have currently (and planning the improvement of that gear). Even if you gate all the packs, and force CC, you can still clear faster by working on improving your methods, your rotation, your group, your gear. So nothing SE will do will stop many of us from trying to clear as quickly and effectively as possible regardless of who we go with.

So yeah we beat brayflox first 2 bosses in 4 minutes 30 seconds this time, what about 4 minutes 25 seconds next time?
every skill you use, the path you take , the timing of abilities that synergize with other members can be improved to reduce that time.

Its practice, and working towards improving yourself. You can even do it in pugs, by thinking what can you do to reduce the time with whatever random team members you get with whatever random skill/gear levels they have. (and to do this without causing wipes, or having a tolerable risk level)

If you aren't trying to push yourself, the game has literately zero challenge, you make the challenge by doing it as fast as you can.

But I guess some people are ok with half afk no challenge ezmode giv loot please. To me you couldn't be lazier.

[Iagainsti]

People who think speed running doesn't take skill are automatically bad.
It's not about pulling a certain amount of mobs or getting through in X amount of time, its about improving oneself and the synergy of ones group to beat it faster than the last time you did it, with whatever gear you have currently. Even if you gate all the packs, and force CC, you can still clear faster by working on improving your methods, your rotation, your group, your gear.
Its practice, and working towards improving yourself. You can even do it in pugs, by thinking what can you do to reduce the time with whatever random team members you get with whatever random skill/gear levels they have.

If you aren't trying to push yourself, the game has literately zero challenge, you make the challenge by doing it as fast as you can.

But I guess some people are ok with half afk no challenge ezmode giv loot please. To me you couldn't be lazier.

Love it. Well written!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you aren't trying to push yourself, the game has literately zero challenge, you make the challenge by doing it as fast as you can.

But I guess some people are ok with half afk no challenge ezmode giv loot please. To me you couldn't be lazier.

Personally, I found my challenges and really pushed myself to learn what I'm capable of in Coil, and I truly love it. (Had I not decided to skip the relic and at least TRY raiding, I might never have grown at all). That's not to say I can't learn anything in dungeons, but I will say your "half afk no challenge ezmode" bit is kinda how speedruns end up feeling to me. To me, personally. As far as I'm concerned, I'm alone in that opinion, and ok with it.

[Rasylia]

As far as I'm concerned, I'm alone in that opinion, and ok with it.

You are not alone. But, most people a) do not use the forum b) do not like to post in these kind of topcis. Why? Sousoulso. Just an example.

Whatever someone sais: False, incorrect, personal opinion, wrong, not true [..]
Whatever he sais: Correct, maybe personal opinion -> STILL CORRECT, only valid opinion he accepts.

Its like explaining someone who killed T13 that not all non-raiders are bad players. You cant. They simply do not accept the fact that there are players out there who simply like to play other parts of the game / in a different way.

[Galgarion]

I hate speed running. Success hinges entirely on the healer, and plainly speaking, I just don't like that. Haven't met a pug yet with the stones to vote kick me over it, so I'll keep setting a quick but reasonable pace. Oh no! No player comms at the end of the dungeon! If player comm rewards weren't utter garbage, that might actually sting. SR's shave around four minutes off the clock on average, and I'm not working harder to save some bastard I'll never meet again four f***ing minutes as if I were an employee at a taco bell drive-through. The nerve of some of these guys.

[ruskie]

People who think speed running doesn't take skill are automatically bad.

Even though I'm no fan of SRs I can say yes it takes skill.

And yes I'm not a fan but I'm on the fence on the whole do I want or don't want a SR. What's the problem usually is when people run of and do a mass pull with limited AoE potential.

Its practice, and working towards improving yourself.

No argument here. It is to improve.

You can even do it in pugs, by thinking what can you do to reduce the time with whatever random team members you get with whatever random skill/gear levels they have. (and to do this without causing wipes, or having a tolerable risk level)

What's lacking in pugs is usually communication. Where are you pulling to or how much are you pulling, do you expect the whm to holy or not(I have been asked to just heal when they do a mass pull but that was one instance when anyone ever said anything). It's the variables that will cause the wipe not your personal skill.

If you aren't trying to push yourself, the game has literately zero challenge, you make the challenge by doing it as fast as you can.

But here's the thing. I play to enjoy myself. I don't want a challenge 90% of the time. I mostly do dungeons to relax and unwind after work. I do coils and fun runs to push myself and challenge myself.

But I guess some people are ok with half afk no challenge ezmode giv loot please. To me you couldn't be lazier.

It's called having fun and relaxing. Something a large part of the vocal community seems to have lost the idea behind.

[Tarta]

Speed runs for more drop change at zodiac. That's what I think