Why Speed Pulls?

[Sareal]

Blame the zodiac quest for making i110+ players runs i60 dungeons over and over again.

No, I won't. Not sure where this obsession of placing blame comes from. But no, I won't blame a feature that isn't mandatory. If we are getting them for increasing our chances at beating something harder, there are alternatives and most of all you don't need the relic to even beat the harder content in the first place. If it's for any other reason than gearing up for increasing chances of beating something harder, then it's obviously for the fun of doing it or obtaining it, for vanity and what not, in which case, speeding through the relic steps becomes unnecessary and unjustifiable of toxic behavior. I don't personally run the dungeons over and over in hopes of getting my Zodiac items, I run them once as I see fit and then I take a break because I will get bored of running it if I run it too frequently and I don't want that to happen.

[Almalexia]

No, I won't. Not sure where this obsession of placing blame comes from. But no, I won't blame a feature that isn't mandatory. If we are getting them for increasing our chances at beating something harder, there are alternatives and most of all you don't need the relic to even beat the harder content in the first place. If it's for any other reason than gearing up for increasing chances of beating something harder, then it's obviously for the fun of doing it or obtaining it, for vanity and what not, in which case, speeding through the relic steps becomes unnecessary and unjustifiable of toxic behavior.

If you have elected to do Zodiac, it's not fair to dismiss the significance of content at the expense of everybody else with whom you do it. There are many things in the game you don't "have" to do:

You don't HAVE to score positional bonuses with MNK.
You don't HAVE to cast anything more advanced than cure on WHM.
You don't HAVE to wear gear any higher than the minimum ilvl.

You can do less than optimal and still make it through the dungeon, Zodiac or not. But why would you aim low? Why would you take a principled stand against doing more when you and your party are capable of more? If we all do our best, then it's a better experience for everybody.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I like Dungeons. I even love doing stupid things in them like DPS Tanking when I'm there for the lols. But I've got a Animus Relic to get to Zodiak level and 8 more combat classes to get to 50 AND my DoL/DoH classes to max out all before expansion. That's alot of tomes, items, gil, and EXP to grind in JUST 6-8 months. So forgive me if I wanna finish my 100 millionth speed run of Bryflox Longstom HM asap.

[Sareal]

So forgive me if I wanna finish my 100 millionth speed run of Bryflox Longstom HM asap.

Nobody is forcing you, you are forcing yourself. Makes me wonder why you even are here reading the forum when you could be farming tomes and shit in just 8 months.

[Ruri]

After spamming the same dungeons for weeks no one wants to take it slow.

[Sareal]

Ah, playing the 'It's just a game' card. Then what are you even doing here?

I said it's a game for having fun, I didn't say "it's just a game"

Yes, to run coil. Did you really just say running coil is comparable to facerolling trash in dungeons? I don't even...

It's part of the game, so why not? What is so different? Killing trash in coil is just the same as killing trash in dungeons. What's your point? Clarify

You obviously don't like that answer, so you're not going to accept it despite it being the truth. Waat? ^^

He did say "Blame...." So yes, they are trying to pin blame on something, I didn't. And what do you mean I'm not going to accept it despite what being the truth? I have been having conversations with people who were nice enough to come have conversations without being rude. It's probably what you believe but that doesn't make it "THE" truth.

(why do players want to speedrun all day?)

That's what I asked?

[Iagainsti]

It's part of the game, so why not? What is so different? Killing trash in coil is just the same as killing trash in dungeons. What's your point? Clarify

Trash pulls in Coil? most of the time they're suicide pulls bc what good is wasting time killing trash? So again speed runs come out on top bc you want those extra minutes for boss attempts, not useless take your time trash mobs. That's a bad comparison for your argument.

[Sareal]

this thread is simply turning into, it's "all about me, me, me!" whining and not about finding a solution.

That's because it never was about finding a solution in the first place. It's turning into whatever you perceive it turning into. People can whine if they want, whining is not always a bad thing per say. Your solution is just the opposite of "if you want to speed run just find a pre-made group" which I agree but both sides of the coin don't always want to go through the trouble of making a pre-made group, we don't always have friends at disposition either. The point of the thread is more about making a conscious choice between going along with whatever you are asked or told to do or leaving them be by quitting and accepting the consequences. People are giving their opinions from their side of the coins, and it is their right, just as much as it is our right to not always agree with their opinion, even if completely selfish and unconsidering.

[Talia_Hailwind]

Some Speed runners remind me of people in cars trying to get home after a day at work.
They drop all common sense, get mad over nothing and just HAVE to rush.

I hate rush hour.