BLM is still too OP

[kpxmanifesto]

they could encourage more 8 vs 8 by popping more nodes at the temple/market over the duration of the fight

That's a solution that I proposed in another thread. Make the nodes on the sides spawn like 2 or 3 times during slaughter rather than just once. Such an uncomplicated fix yet we'll probably just be waiting till Heavensward for any changes or improvements to PvP.

[Arkenne]

Make it so cometeor causes friendly fire? And self destruct at that :v

[Iagainsti]

BLM: Damage Dealt +10%, Physical Vulnerability -10%
Archer: Nothing

Lol you think that 10% buff is relevant when your talking 10 cross class skill bursts? 45 Blm here, and Archers<Brds anyday. Archers and Marauders(even Gladiators to some extent) are amazing PVP adepts. I run Marauder outside my pvp premade, and even 1-1 with a warrior, I always come out on top. Swifcast Stoneskin- OP. 3 dots , 2 stuns, beserk+raging strikes bursts, anyway, I fear archers more than bards when Im a caster

[Iagainsti]

I'll just post the info and hopefully that'll be that. But yeah, Jobs > Classes in pvp.

I smell Confirmation Bias! Believe me, those percentages don't matter for most players. Marauder is a better Healer protector in Secure than a Warrior, also a better caster, range killer. don't let a few percentages and a table make you think that your total untested statement( at least in your case) that "Jobs>Classes" is true whatsoever.

[kisada]

a table showing exact statistics is not confirmation bias, lol.

classes have some more flexibility than jobs with certain skills but getting 10% more dmg and 10% more defense overall is really powerful and most of the time better.

if you beat warriors in pvp it's not cause marauder is better, it's because you were better than the player you were fighting. the irony is that your anecdotal experiences are the confirmation bias, here.

[Iagainsti]

The statement is confirmation Bias. The table shows me a nothing to prove said statement. Do you think a flat 10% increase to damage is better than being able to utilize Raging strikes (20%) increase for bursts? Same with Gladiators. that I can use straight shot to increase my crit by 10%, combo'ed with internal release, while I need 5 stacks of rage to get that same effect? that your 20% damage resist pales in comparison to my ability to Thrill of Battle>Swiftcast>Stoneskin on a 1 minute CD? Again, those bonuses are null when facing someone with appropriate cross class skills and the knowledge to use them. So to say Jobs> Classes based on some % is just amateur and "myside bias".

[DividedSky]

Jobs are better than classes man sorry.

[Iagainsti]

Jobs are better than classes man sorry.

Confirmation Bias in a nutshell

[Houston009]

Lol you think that 10% buff is relevant when your talking 10 cross class skill bursts? 45 Blm here, and Archers<Brds anyday. Archers and Marauders(even Gladiators to some extent) are amazing PVP adepts. I run Marauder outside my pvp premade, and even 1-1 with a warrior, I always come out on top. Swifcast Stoneskin- OP. 3 dots , 2 stuns, beserk+raging strikes bursts, anyway, I fear archers more than bards when Im a caster

Oh you're a rank 45 BLM, omg I'm a rank 45 (insert any job here).

You're aware the reason why MRD is relevant is because they get cross class skills from ARC/LNC/PUG something Bard already has access to. ARC gets 10 cross class skills and out of them they only get one move that contributes to their burst that BRD doesn't have, which is Mercy Stroke. The rest are mainly support, low self-heals, and a dot Fracture. On top of already doing less damage than BRD, they have 20 DEX less than them which is about 2 weapon damage worth of DEX.

[Iagainsti]

SC Stoneskin is OP dude, don't just group that into "support" and internal realease/ mercy stroke are both huge for bursting down a target. If your logic sticks, explain why, as a caster, I have more trouble against an archerthan a bard?