Dear Ninjas

[Sapphic]

As long as they are enjoying the game good for them.

If they are causing the other 3/7 in the party to not enjoy the game because of that attitude. Then there's a problem. If I found fun (I don't) in intentionally wiping parties, I'd be enjoying the game. Or I was a healer that never droppde out of clerics and never healed, or a tank that never took aggro I could be playing in a way I find enjoyable. Sucks for the other 3/7 players tho :P

A DPS is doing just that be performing under the minimum needed for content, any job is. I play as I want with a like minded party (eg running dungeons with crazy setups) or in single player games where my actions don't affect others.

Disclaimer: I don't play to those examples, they are just examples.

[Luvbunny]

Yeah this whole discussion is why I stay put in Japanese server with english speaker free company... The amount of dramarama, rude behavior, the idiotic "i play how i want - stop telling me what to do - even if i completely suck at it and run around like a total idiot and have no clue on how the mechanic works - and utterly clueless on what my combo and rotation should be" - pretty much everything you would expect from the worst players. And this amount of trolling happens always half the time whenever I use duty finder... I think SE is getting rich from all those transfer fee.

[Seoulstar]

Yeah this whole discussion is why I stay put in Japanese server with english speaker free company... The amount of dramarama, rude behavior, the idiotic "i play how i want - stop telling me what to do - even if i completely suck at it and run around like a total idiot and have no clue on how the mechanic works - and utterly clueless on what my combo and rotation should be" - pretty much everything you would expect from the worst players. And this amount of trolling happens always half the time whenever I use duty finder... I think SE is getting rich from all those transfer fee.

Pretty sure there are Japanese players that does the exact same thing. But if you don't speak Japanese..you probably wouldn't know.

[Luvbunny]

Pretty sure there are Japanese players that does the exact same thing. But if you don't speak Japanese..you probably wouldn't know.

I don't like to generalize and stereotyping, but I have made characters in 5 US servers - and had to transfer 2 of them, while the rest stay unplayed for the reasons I listed before. Too many trolls, RMT tells, and just general shenanigans. You could be in a good server with polite US players and great FC, but if you keep encountering trolls on duty finder, or half the time, your groups does not know how to play their roles properly, there is only so many "good faith" I have left lol.

I think there is a Redit post that summarize it, Japanese players use party finder to practice and find out the mechanic (even for dungeons) - and US players use duty finder to "figure out how to play". Also most US players do not bother reading description of abilities, have no clue on how to properly do their combo rotation, very few even bother researching what their jobs need to do, and half of them always come under geared - and you have a nice hot mess of a disaster stew waiting to explode.

[Noshpan]

When I'm playing my Ninja (or Bard), I always wish that I could see the TP of tanks & melee DPS. Otherwise, I just have to take a guess and hope I used Goad when it was most needed. I don't mind if people ask for a Goad, demanding on the other hand...

[Fenral]

"You never Goaded me, so I'm not giving you my comm." - this one WAR tank I had. Actually outright said it at the end of a run. Even though he did noting but Butcher's Block combo and Overpower the entire time, meaning I was keeping up Dancing Edge on bosses for his wonderful tank DPS.

People can make whatever demands they want, but you don't have to listen. Especially if they won't play their own Job correctly.

[Frozenbear]

People can make whatever demands they want, but you don't have to listen. Especially if they won't play their own Job correctly.

THIS
Don't even get me started on the average war...
oh! oh! was he spinning around in a wide circle for every pull like he was trying to make himself dizzy? love those guys.

[Darkstride]

NIN goad always takes priority over BRD peoen. The reason for this being that your goad doesn't drop your DPS by 20%

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

Also, with the cooldown, just because you're asking for Goad doesn't mean it is available.

I definitely don't see any reason to be lazy with Goad though. It's instant, just use it. The blind TP issue isn't really an issue because NIN is a TP using DPS so you should be able to roughly gauge what situations are resource intensive. You shouldn't be waiting until someone actually runs out of TP and screams for it. It'a a gradual replenishment.

[Frozenbear]

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

Also, with the cooldown, just because you're asking for Goad doesn't mean it is available.

I definitely don't see any reason to be lazy with Goad though. It's instant, just use it. The blind TP issue isn't really an issue because NIN is a TP using DPS so you should be able to roughly gauge what situations are resource intensive. You shouldn't be waiting until someone actually runs out of TP and screams for it. It'a a gradual replenishment.

Had this discussion with sum of the nin in my fc, the gen feeling is that you should have *some* idea when a goad might be helpfull (example: huge pulls that force a melee to use aoes or anytime you have a war in the party) instead you have a legion of narutards who just dont.

[FallenArisen0990]

SE should hand you out Mijin Gakure for your nin so noone has to bother with this mentality.

I let people play w/e they want. For Causal content, I really don't see the issue. For something like Coil or EXs, that's completely different. The way this game has become a "Oh view a guide on how to play and stuff" is really sickening. I shouldn't have to review a guide to play the game. Everything is view a guide, view a guide. Many people (myself included) don't learn from watching a damn guide. Some learn more when actually doing the fight. Who is honestly gonna sit there viewing and studying everything in the guide?

You should have *some* idea when a goad might be helpfull (example: huge pulls that force a melee to use aoes.

That's different. That's easy to gauge that any melee class is gonna need TP soon. But come to a boss fight, it's hard to tell cause my TP like never goes lower than 840.