Ironworks vs WoD

[Garlyle]

Pretty much all the Ironworks gear will be better if it's upgraded to 130, the exception being the shoes if you don't do content with a bleeding-edge acc cap.

Depends on the class. SMN for instance has almost no use for Spell Speed (When almost all your damage is in DoTs and your pet, spell speed does next to nothing for you!); so the demon robe (Crit + Det) likely beats out the ironworks robe (Crit + SSpd) for SMN - even after the augmentation. And considering the Dreadwyrm is ACC+SSpd, the WoD robe is possibly BiS for Summoner. The boots would be an improvement too unless you desperately need that acc.

[loreleidiangelo]

Depends on the class. SMN for instance has almost no use for Spell Speed (When almost all your damage is in DoTs and your pet, spell speed does next to nothing for you!); so the demon robe (Crit + Det) likely beats out the ironworks robe (Crit + SSpd) for SMN - even after the augmentation. The boots would be an improvement too unless you desperately need that acc.

Did you actually do the calculations? I'm using the most recent stat weights I know of as of 2.4:

Augmented Ironworks chest: 47 crit x .215 = 10.105 INT + 33 spellspeed x 0.098 = 3.234 INT + 5 extra INT from being i130 vs i120 = 18.339 INT.

Demon Robe: 31 crit x .215 = 6.665 INT + 31 det x .284 = 8.804 INT equals a total of 15.469 INT...REALLLLY close to the Augmented Chest, but not "better" by any means, and that's not including the extra VIT you get from upgrading.

However, as i120 vs i120, there's no contest - get the Demon Robe.

[Kietsu]

Did you actually do the calculations? I'm using the most recent stat weights I know of as of 2.4:

Augmented Ironworks chest: 47 crit x .215 = 10.105 INT + 33 spellspeed x 0.098 = 3.234 INT + 5 extra INT from being i130 vs i120 = 18.339 INT.

Demon Robe: 31 crit x .215 = 6.665 INT + 31 det x .284 = 8.804 INT equals a total of 15.469 INT...REALLLLY close to the Augmented Chest, but not "better" by any means, and that's not including the extra VIT you get from upgrading.

However, as i120 vs i120, there's no contest - get the Demon Robe.

This math is really solid - for Black Mage. But OP is asking about Summoner gear here, where Spell Speed is very much ignore-able - DoT ticks aren't affected by SSpd, Egi attacks aren't affected by SSpd, Fester, Rouse, Rouse More aren't on GCD - the only constant damage output effected by SSpd is Ruin, which has a potency of 80.

Mind you, I'm not a Summoner, and the only reason I dabble in it is because I mainly play Scholar, but I do get the feeling SSpd has no value to them.

[Sessurea]

This math is really solid - for Black Mage. But OP is asking about Summoner gear here, where Spell Speed is very much ignore-able - DoT ticks aren't affected by SSpd, Egi attacks aren't affected by SSpd, Fester, Rouse, Rouse More aren't on GCD - the only constant damage output effected by SSpd is Ruin, which has a potency of 80.

Mind you, I'm not a Summoner, and the only reason I dabble in it is because I mainly play Scholar, but I do get the feeling SSpd has no value to them.

Pretty sure that's smn stat weights. Spell speed is actually the strongest secondary stat for blm, valued at just under 0.3 int each, while for smn its under 0.1 int.

[NyarukoW]

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Augmented Ironworks chest: 47 crit x .215 = 10.105 INT + 33 spellspeed x 0.098 = 3.234 INT + 5 extra INT from being i130 vs i120 = 18.339 INT.

Demon Robe: 31 crit x .215 = 6.665 INT + 31 det x .284 = 8.804 INT equals a total of 15.469 INT....

The 3.234 INT from spellspeed should really be 0. So it is really only 15.105 which sless that 15.469. So the VIT is the determining factor, but you may give up a tiny fraction of DPS for it. More spell speed means constant casting leads to forced downtime to charge MP in stuff like T10 and T11 so DPS contribution of 0.

[Donjo]

The 3.234 INT from spellspeed should really be 0. So it is really only 15.105 which sless that 15.469. So the VIT is the determining factor, but you may give up a tiny fraction of DPS for it. More spell speed means constant casting leads to forced downtime to charge MP in stuff like T10 and T11 so DPS contribution of 0.

No, the weight isn't 0. It shouldn't be 0 just because you don't like it.

For what the weights are good for, they are as close to fact as we can currently get. While it is absolutely true that Spell Speed doesn't help a Summoner very much, the fact that there is a weight for it at all is proof that it does something. Pretending that it is zero just because you don't like it is poor judgement; the secondary stats really don't matter that much. The only thing one should actually worry about is the loss from overcompensating on Accuracy. That is, unless min-maxing to gain 1.5-2% extra DPS is worth the trouble to a particular person.

It is also worth noting that the speed stat does not make you run out of MP/TP in Coil!. The fact that the fights are ungodly long in comparison to upkeep time is what makes people run out of resource. It's going to happen in fights this long whether you stack speed or not, so stop blaming the stat.

For fun, here's a list of things that Spell Speed helps Summoner with:

1. Ruin Spam
2. Getting dots on an enemy from a cold start, like when an add appears that needs to be bursted down but started away from the boss.
3. Getting an extra spell out of Raging Strikes
4. It's currently affecting pets. It may be a bug, but you might as well roll with it while it's there.
5. Having to use any of these spells when Swiftcast is down: Resurrection, Summon, Shadowflare

So, yeah; definitely not a "0 DPS" contribution.