Why do people refer to WHM sinlge heals as stronger ?

[Quyn]

Heya,

So im not at level cap just yet on both my SCH and WHM.

I do read many discussions on healing and a reoccuring outlier to me is when people refer to WHM single heals as being bigger.

Cure I and Physick both have potency 400
Cure II potency is 650
Physick + embrace is potency 700

Do WHM have much larger Mind stats on level 50, or some kind of passive heling bonus I dont yet know about ?
Does the Faeri embrace not scale with gear ?
Where exactly does the WHM get the leg up there ?

FOr AOe healing, its clear but for single target, I dont understand yet why WHM is apparently having the larger heals ?

and if so, how much of a difference are we looking at exactly ?

[Kelya]

With the numbers SCH is beating WHM, above all with Aldo.

But during the fight, Fairy auto embrace can cause you to only Physick your tank while the fairy is embracing a dps. Even if she embraces the tank each time you want it, remember Embrace is 3s GCD. On the long term, you will not be able to cast as many Embrace as Physick, you will end up will some Physick alone.

[Lyzern]

ehh, I'm not sure it's stronger, but if it is, it's not by much.

What those people are probably referring to is the fact that SCH is a more defensive kinda healer, Adloq is effectively a 600 potency heal, but it only heals for 300 potency and shields for the other 300, which is great and is most definetly a better single target heal than any of the WHM's heals.

Another thing would be Divine Seal's effects and Regen. Divine Seal increases healing by 30%, which is already a lot in its own right, Regen is an amazing HoT spell that can effectively count as a 1050 potency heal, which is made even better with Divine Seal, as the potency is increased by 30% for whatever the duration of Regen is even after Divine Seal ends.

Also: SCH has Lustrate, which is a great emergency heal and way better than benediction.

[Quyn]

With the numbers SCH is beating WHM, above all with Aldo.

But during the fight, Fairy auto embrace can cause you to only Physick your tank while the fairy is embracing a dps. Even if she embraces the tank each time you want it, remember Embrace is 3s GCD. On the long term, you will not be able to cast as many Embrace as Physick, you will end up will some Physick alone.

Once you macro embrace into your physick , thats still an issue? wouldnt it be possible to add stance switch to that macro to interrupt any current faerie action ?

/edit was referring to this but it seems i should have read it more carfully :

pac Steady
/pac Guard
/pac Whatever ability


One other important thing to note is that canceling out an ability in this manner will cause that cast to be lost and the cooldown timer will continue as if it hadn’t been interrupted. This makes interrupt macros useless for Embrace.

[Cynfael]

SCH has the greater single target burst heal with Lustrates woven in, and Rouse buffs Embrace significantly. Adlo, especially if crit, soaks a significant amount of damage as well. The only thing the WHM has that competes is a straight-up Benediction, which is obviously not a regular thing.

The only situation in which Heal+Embrace becomes less reliable for single target is when another party member is below 80%, in which case you are spamming your Embrace key hoping to keep the fairy doing what you want her to do. Embrace is also on a 3 second CD as opposed to 2, which affects the combined potency for sustained healing.

Anyway, WHM will restore more HP per single cast simply because Cure II has greater potency than any skill a SCH has, especially considering the low CD of Divine Seal. However, there are good reasons why, in healing-intensive content, the SCH often defaults to tank-sitter while the WHM restores overall raid damage.

[Kelya]

You can't use the interrupt thing on Embrace since if you do, the GCD is lost. Basically you have the choice between letting her finish his cast or interrupt it and wait for the GCD to finish -_-

But as Cynfael explained, if you're able to litteraly spam your Embrace key/macro whatever, she won't have time to heal someone else.

[Tranquil]

This probably has to do with people's inability to comprehend active healing when added up (300 healing, 300 shielding = 600, crits not withstanding), as well as not accounting in for the fairy. Reading and comprehending the tooltips and the job dynamics in full can be quite the arduous task indeed.

Also this is just a sidenote, but Fairie don't get your SCH-healing traits, hence your Embraces are not actually 300 potency, measured using your own heals and cured HP per potency value as baseline, but close to 80% of that.

[CycLee]

I dont know what for ppl are you talking to, but it seems, they dont know what they are talking. singletarget is the SCH superior to the WHM. even without criting does Adlo+embrace 900 potency of healing/shielding (what is equaly worth in matter of keeping the tank alive) - this edge extends if you compare critical hits (Adlo= 450 potecy heal +900 pot.shield+450 embrace=1800 potency in the castime of one heal while its fore Cure II 975 potency if critical.)

You can close that gap a bit as a WHM by using regen consequently. in addition you can compensate burstdamage by using divine seal/presence of mind.

If you whould ignore the shield of Adlo and using physic, the WHM whould win as embrace has a recast of 3 sec. but on the other hand, physic costs as much as Cure I and embrace costs nothing while a Cure II spaming WHM will run dry.

In addition: the shield, that Adlo/succor provides, gives the target more HP that it actual has while you just do your usual healing wich makes it easier if not essential to survive some high damage peaks (i'm looking at you Odin).

tl;dr - WHM and SCH are very different healer. the SCH is the best at sustaining constant, high damage while the WHM is a rly frontloaded bursthealer.

[Viviza]

Bigger numbers pop up. That's really it.

But the concept of which heals are "stronger" is strange and the wrong way to think about healing as a whole. There are many, many variables that vary per encounter and by player.

[Gurpsmeister]

Bigger question, who cares? Currently running FCOB as a WHm and fact is 70% of my healing is over-heal. Healing in this game is a joke, nothing involving or complicated. Both healers are point and shoot healers no matter how much folks wish it were otherwise. I can literally heal the turns we run in gear I could've gotten from Syrcus Tower and still be doing just fine. Healing needs a major overhaul because as it is the stats on your gear is nigh meaningless. Unless of course you want 80% overheal?