The problem with Summoners

[Akiza]

Can you source that claim? Because i'm pretty sure 50->60 will only add 2 new abilities/spells from the job and 2 more from the class if classes are not going to get abolished. The new jobs will not have a class so the chances of getting 6 new abilities/spells is not quite possible...

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

[Wintersandman]

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

[Sequora]

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

You must be on a rare unicorn server then. In the endgame scene i see VERY few SMNs. Most of the SMNs I know have changed to BLM since 2.4 and haven't looked back.

[Wintersandman]

You must be on a rare unicorn server then. In the endgame scene i see VERY few SMNs. Most of the SMNs I know have changed to BLM since 2.4 and haven't looked back.

It's not just the server as I df almost everything. I seen 4 in WoD and normally 1-2 a day. SMN offers some things BLM can't. In places like WoD they can actually have a more significant impact when enemies are spread out and a BLM can't AoE. Cerberus? They can DoT him up and then dot/bane the flowers. Stomach they can dps all of the Stomach parts at the same time.

[Craiger]

It's not just the server as I df almost everything. I seen 4 in WoD and normally 1-2 a day. SMN offers some things BLM can't. In places like WoD they can actually have a more significant impact when enemies are spread out and a BLM can't AoE. Cerberus? They can DoT him up and then dot/bane the flowers. Stomach they can dps all of the Stomach parts at the same time.

He meant that there are very few SMNs doing endgame raiding (Final Coil)... Maybe you could find some more now, because it's doesn't really matter now that everyone has the best gear, but you'll still barely see anyone.

SMN is good in WoD for example like you said, but that really doesn't matter. Even if a job isn't doing good in WoD, you'll beat it easily, so it doesn't make a difference.

[Wintersandman]

Snip.

Didn't state and most people running coil are running statics so of course they would run into less. But to say that they are going extinct is misleading when in reality they aren't. If they are so horrible as everyone states why would anyone even bother in WoD, dungeons etc.? The glimmer of hope that SE will retune the class? Wait or is it the class is actually enjoyable to play?

[Havenae]

Didn't state and most people running coil are running statics so of course they would run into less. But to say that they are going extinct is misleading when in reality they aren't. If they are so horrible as everyone states why would anyone even bother in WoD, dungeons etc.? The glimmer of hope that SE will retune the class? Wait or is it the class is actually enjoyable to play?

Repeated forum posts since launch expounding upon the same principle issues by a multitude of people would show the last statement to not be the case.

But to answer your question, I still play my summoner in hope that yes someday SE will get around to actually finishing the job, because to be quite honest for the most part thats what the job feels like. As if it were rushed out to round off the arcanist class and make good on their promise that summoner would accompany 2.0's launch. Summoner most of the time for me feels like an afterthought and to be honest, the job deserves a lot more than that. WE deserve a lot more than that.

As for the rarity of the job. I've jumped servers 4 times. The frequency that I actually see another summoner is very low in comparison to seeing pretty much any other dps class/job. And that frequency is NOTHING compared to what it used to be. thats not even considering how rare of an occurrence it is that I actually see a summoner in the duty finder. If we could see some stats on things like most and least played classes/jobs most played races, ect.. I would bet you my children that Summoner would be at or one spot from the bottom of that list.

Visually the job is boring. Playwise it is tedious and unimagined at best and does nothing to connect the concept of FINAL FANTASY SUMMONER to itself.

They could have named this job Necromancer, gave us skeleton and zombie pets and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference other than actually making more sense considering the spell repetiore that we have. We deal exclusively in poison and disease, yet we have element based pets. Who ever at SE that thought this made any sort of sense was more dense than Hildibrand could ever be.