The problem with Summoners

[Akiza]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

[Craiger]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

^This exactly.

Well, I don't know where you're getting a total of 12 abilities from, cause even if you include traits, we haven't gotten that many before. We don't know if it's going be to like now either... but from what I know, from 40 to 50, we got 5 abilities and 2 traits.

It's not same from 30-40 and 40-50 though, and they could change it anyways...

The point still remains though, that SMN and SCH most likely will be getting completely separate abilities, and if you look at how many abilities you actually use in your rotation, you see that those new abilities could easily change the entire way you play that job.

[Minorinz]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

Can you source that claim? Because i'm pretty sure 50->60 will only add 2 new abilities/spells from the job and 2 more from the class if classes are not going to get abolished. The new jobs will not have a class so the chances of getting 6 new abilities/spells is not quite possible...

[Akiza]

Can you source that claim? Because i'm pretty sure 50->60 will only add 2 new abilities/spells from the job and 2 more from the class if classes are not going to get abolished. The new jobs will not have a class so the chances of getting 6 new abilities/spells is not quite possible...

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

[Wintersandman]

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

[Sequora]

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

You must be on a rare unicorn server then. In the endgame scene i see VERY few SMNs. Most of the SMNs I know have changed to BLM since 2.4 and haven't looked back.

[Wintersandman]

You must be on a rare unicorn server then. In the endgame scene i see VERY few SMNs. Most of the SMNs I know have changed to BLM since 2.4 and haven't looked back.

It's not just the server as I df almost everything. I seen 4 in WoD and normally 1-2 a day. SMN offers some things BLM can't. In places like WoD they can actually have a more significant impact when enemies are spread out and a BLM can't AoE. Cerberus? They can DoT him up and then dot/bane the flowers. Stomach they can dps all of the Stomach parts at the same time.

[Craiger]

It's not just the server as I df almost everything. I seen 4 in WoD and normally 1-2 a day. SMN offers some things BLM can't. In places like WoD they can actually have a more significant impact when enemies are spread out and a BLM can't AoE. Cerberus? They can DoT him up and then dot/bane the flowers. Stomach they can dps all of the Stomach parts at the same time.

He meant that there are very few SMNs doing endgame raiding (Final Coil)... Maybe you could find some more now, because it's doesn't really matter now that everyone has the best gear, but you'll still barely see anyone.

SMN is good in WoD for example like you said, but that really doesn't matter. Even if a job isn't doing good in WoD, you'll beat it easily, so it doesn't make a difference.