The problem with Summoners

[Cidolfas86]

bane should effect on all enemies in radius..

I'm all for this. I think its kind of silly that its limited to 3 targets only. I mean if you don't want SMN to have the aoE prowess of a BLM then at least make it better at single target.

I would say no to Odin simply because he is a generic SMN and previous FF games dont seem to have too much of a place in this one.

That's kind of a bad argument to make. This current online FF title has made it a point to ape previous Final Fantasy games, see: Mamools from FF11 and Wootz armor-which are Koenig and Ares sets also from FF11 respectively, Gold Saucer from FF7, Cloud of Darkness from FF3....and this list could keep going.

[Sanguisio]

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I referring to the actual build of classes

[Vallhallix]

I'm in agreement, and I say this as a former SMN fanboy. It was my first class, one day I just decided to try BLM and I never looked back. SMN is without a doubt the class lacking most in the game. It is very bland. I feel all the classes have their "hell yeah" moments except SMN. With BLM its double flaring and getting crazy procs. Plus BLM just has CRAZY utlity that is fun as hell to excecute in PVP. I love using atheral manipulation to zoom back to the party if I stray to far in PVP (its awesome using it in instances too). I think a lot of SMN blandness comes from the fact it is a DOT class with no good burst. Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

[OneWingedSora]

Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

Depends on the player really. I have no problems managing pet on a controller whatsoever. Just needs some getting used to.

[Akiza]

I'm in agreement, and I say this as a former SMN fanboy. It was my first class, one day I just decided to try BLM and I never looked back. SMN is without a doubt the class lacking most in the game. It is very bland. I feel all the classes have their "hell yeah" moments except SMN. With BLM its double flaring and getting crazy procs. Plus BLM just has CRAZY utlity that is fun as hell to excecute in PVP. I love using atheral manipulation to zoom back to the party if I stray to far in PVP (its awesome using it in instances too). I think a lot of SMN blandness comes from the fact it is a DOT class with no good burst. Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

I agree the blandness of the Summoner comes from SE making them a DoT class which doesn't fit the overall theme of the Summoner. Like the Black Mage the Summoner is a bursts direct damage dps but they bursts in different ways. The way SE designed Summoner was like taking two people that want to kill each other and forcing them to get married while waiting for them to implode. That's exactly wants happen the Arcanist and Summoner combo imploded.

[Vallhallix]

Yeah they could have done it differently with the pets. Now that i've been playing Ninja I see how they could have implemented summons better. SMN could have stayed bursty and instead use combos to summon different pets (on a timer ofcourse) to execute attacks rather than having them be pets. Maybe they could have had a damage increase but longer cooldown. It would have been much better imo. Not to mention all the "summon combos" would get used, with the pets as they are now you have 2 useless ones that hardly get used. I wasn't around when SMN released, was the class rushed or something? I feel like SMN got the short end of the stick because both Sch pets are useful and only one SMN pet is required. SMN won't get an overhaul though, that's just wishful thinking but some things that they can do to make it better.

- Shorter cooldown for enkindle
- Bane needs to effect the entire mob, Smn is the only dps with a limited AoE
- One good bursty skill that isn't tied with aether stacks
- Aetherflow buff
- Make titan and ifrit better.

[Alex_Lenderson]

I think it would be neat if summoner's got some more utility with their pets. It is funny how a lot of BRDs complain about having to play songs since they just want to shoot things, seems like utility/flavor missed the mark there. On a summoner though? That would be awesome. Pie in the sky thought here but imagine getting a Phoenix summon in the future that cast Life 3 on someone (when they die they get insta-rezzed).

[Bigcat9715]

I think it would be neat if summoner's got some more utility with their pets. It is funny how a lot of BRDs complain about having to play songs since they just want to shoot things, seems like utility/flavor missed the mark there. On a summoner though? That would be awesome. Pie in the sky thought here but imagine getting a Phoenix summon in the future that cast Life 3 on someone (when they die they get insta-rezzed).

Having you pet be able to raise would be awesome. maybe give the action a 5 min CD, but that seems more of a third Sch pet rather then a Smn pet. How about make it where Levi does the Selena buff thing, but instead it regens Mp or Tp.

[Xiaoyu]

Some ideas I have for summoners:

- remove the MP cost on the first summon every 120 seconds, making it free summon once every 2 minutes
- whenever free summon is used, the egi will automatically enkindle on spawn
- pets share separate CDs for their skills
- swap tri-disaster and contagion around; give people a reason to use other egis over garuda
- increase ifrit+titan movespeed or have rouse make pets immune to knockback
- rework ifrit's radiant shield from vengeance without the damage mitigation to a pbaoe damage aura; atm it's useless since ifrit won't be taking any hits
- rework target priority when using bane, sometimes it spreads out to targets which have dots already on them

Some of these are ridiculous and borderline overpowered, but I believe these changes would help bring them in line with blm in terms of DPS & improved pet involvement. I have more ideas in mind, but SE's made it pretty clear we won't be seeing any drastic summoner changes until Heavensward.

[Vlady]

Honestly I would love to see summoners tweaked to resemble final fantasy more then wow warlocks.

It is time se returns to being a trend setter and leader in innovation then copy/paste half of wow's classes.