The problem with Summoners

[TripPsyc]

Until I see what actually the spell speed changes do that is pretty much speculation at this point. But I don't expect them to be reading the feedback about summoner all this time and not listening to any of it all. Going forward into heavensward the 50-60 block might actually be game changing who knows. I do however get the impression of late that summoners are getting the same treatment that dragoons use to get from the atypical coil runners.
Personally I hope the new egis bring more flavor to some low cd burst moves that actually make "burn" mechanics actually more valid. I personally would like to see a pet/trait that speeds up our dot ticks for rapid damage with a lower enkindle cd. Enkindle is pretty damn underwhelming atm, the cooldown ontop of its damage barely touching blm multi flare.

[Akiza]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

[Craiger]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

^This exactly.

Well, I don't know where you're getting a total of 12 abilities from, cause even if you include traits, we haven't gotten that many before. We don't know if it's going be to like now either... but from what I know, from 40 to 50, we got 5 abilities and 2 traits.

It's not same from 30-40 and 40-50 though, and they could change it anyways...

The point still remains though, that SMN and SCH most likely will be getting completely separate abilities, and if you look at how many abilities you actually use in your rotation, you see that those new abilities could easily change the entire way you play that job.

[Minorinz]

It's easy to change the Summoner without going back and changing spells. In Heavensward Jobs will be getting 6 new class abilities and 6 new job abilities SE can give the Summoner and Scholar 12 new job abilities each so they won't share any abilities.

Can you source that claim? Because i'm pretty sure 50->60 will only add 2 new abilities/spells from the job and 2 more from the class if classes are not going to get abolished. The new jobs will not have a class so the chances of getting 6 new abilities/spells is not quite possible...

[Akiza]

Can you source that claim? Because i'm pretty sure 50->60 will only add 2 new abilities/spells from the job and 2 more from the class if classes are not going to get abolished. The new jobs will not have a class so the chances of getting 6 new abilities/spells is not quite possible...

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

[Wintersandman]

According to the Order of Blue Gatr rumor mill it is likely that we will get class abilities every two levels starting @ 51 and job abilities every two starting @52 then two class and job abilities @60 for a total of 6 class abilities and 6 job abilities

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

[Sequora]

You can almost guarantee one or two of these is going to be a new summon. So that leaves 4-5 new job abilities that will differentiate scholar and summoner. I personally wouldn't mind more dots. I love my dots.

SCH is underwhelming when it comes to dots in comparison to SMN. I know they are the same but go grind away killing things as SCH and then go do it as SMN and tell me which one is easier.

Also I laugh at anyone claiming Summoner has been abandoned. I see more SMN than BLMs. Also I have seen a good SMN/MNK combo burn down an aoe pack just as effectively as a BLM. Maybe not as quickly but it wasn't enough to scoff at.

Dot's have way more damage potential than you are giving them credit for.

You must be on a rare unicorn server then. In the endgame scene i see VERY few SMNs. Most of the SMNs I know have changed to BLM since 2.4 and haven't looked back.

[AreeyaJaidee]

So how does any of this invalidate that smn has imbalances like Bane being underpowered and Blizzard II being a clone of TriDisaster?

When they originally nerfd summoner and limited bane as well as replaced lightning with blizzard ii, they did smn dirty. There's no getting around that. The reality is when they nerfd smn mobs generally had less defense and HP, simple trash mobs in dungeons eat dots for breakfast. Now that smn remains nerfd it just causes unneeded limitations in how quickly hi geared players can down trash. There's no logical reason why we need bane nerfd and a two tridisaster!

Not to mention the pet issues: forcing use of Garuda with Contagion, and Ifrits crappy wasted Radiant Shield slot.

Its still my personal opinion that titan is too papery and needs better aggro aoe range and threat generation in case picking up a group of adds in a decent sized pack is needed regardless of the enkindle cool down.

[Tanthalus]

Summoner has zero sense of satisfaction about its job. Summoner lacks that "feel good" to them. Everything about Summoner is so painfully mundane. Sure we get Fester, but its still very uninteresting.

After reading this it's a simple solution. PLAY ANOTHER CLASS! Clearly summoner isn't for you. It seems pointless to shine the bright sides of this class to you so just go back to the pool of playable classes and pick something that's more tuned to your playstyle.

[Minorinz]

After reading this it's a simple solution. PLAY ANOTHER CLASS! Clearly summoner isn't for you. It seems pointless to shine the bright sides of this class to you so just go back to the pool of playable classes and pick something that's more tuned to your playstyle.

I agree with this.

There are things that aren't going to get handed to you because complaining is not the answer neither is idea of a whole class getting reworked. Sometimes I wonder if we are even talking about the same class/job anymore...