New tanking abilities in the expansion thread!

[Ultimatecalibur]

After the Pax East panel, I have my doubts about them pushing the mp usage of PLD much, if any farther since they revealed MP management and usage as a major facet of DRK tanking and they will want to keep the play styles of the tanks differenrt.

There is a difference between mitigation being primarily tied to cool down management (Paladin), stack management (Warrior) and MP management (Dark Knight's implied method). Paladin getting additional offensive actions tied to MP use would not necessarily infringe on the Dark Knight's play style.

One thing to consider is that Tank gear may get a bit more diverse statwise as they may be able to include pieces that enhance Piety and/or Spellspeed. Pre-addition of the Dark Knight such pieces would be "Only usable by Paladins."

[Giantbane]

There is a difference between mitigation being primarily tied to cool down management (Paladin), stack management (Warrior) and MP management (Dark Knight's implied method). Paladin getting additional offensive actions tied to MP use would not necessarily infringe on the Dark Knight's play style.

One thing to consider is that Tank gear may get a bit more diverse statwise as they may be able to include pieces that enhance Piety and/or Spellspeed. Pre-addition of the Dark Knight such pieces would be "Only usable by Paladins."

They can't very well just tie it directly to MP management or else it would be impossible to balance DRK mitigation with vs. without a BRD.

[Ultimatecalibur]

They can't very well just tie it directly to MP management or else it would be impossible to balance DRK mitigation with vs. without a BRD.

Depends heavily on the MP cost of things and intended rotation. I suspect two of their main mitigation methods may be a deflection shield and a target debuff that they need to cast every so often. They will likely have it so that the Dark Knight will start to run out of MP in fights at around the same point Paladins start running out of TP.

[Giantbane]

I am seeing DRK more managing its MP regeneration than its total MP. If its mitigation were based on total MP, you would just be able to stack 3 bards in a group for perma-mana song and have an unbelievable mitigation tank for a while fight. I think they are going to be more like BLM than SMN or WHM in respect to MP management. You'll notice that SMN and SCH both have built in DPS throttles (dps being tied to dots, low potency of ruin) to account for the fact that BRDs could pump them mana effectively.

yea, this is what I was getting at

[TouchandFeel]

I wasn't saying that there potentially couldn't be another offensive ability for PLD that uses MP, I was expressing my doubt as to SqEnix pushing PLD into the more magic heavy holy knight direction that many people have asked for. That was all. One more offensive ability that uses mp as its resource is not pushing the mp usage of PLD that much at all, so falls in line with what I said. But again, I doubt it would go much farther than that.

[FallenWings]

Warrior:

Infuriate II
Grants 5 stacks of wrath, 60 second cool down.

Inner Beast x 3 yes please.

:x

[SpookyGhost]

Warrior:

Infuriate II
Grants 5 stacks of wrath, 60 second cool down.

Inner Beast x 3 yes please.

:x

Inner Balance

Grants infinite Wrath for 20s

yfw

[aisustrong]

Inner Balance

Grants infinite Wrath for 20s

yfw

should be called inner rage

[Ehayte]

I am seeing DRK more managing its MP regeneration than its total MP. If its mitigation were based on total MP, you would just be able to stack 3 bards in a group for perma-mana song and have an unbelievable mitigation tank for a while fight. I think they are going to be more like BLM than SMN or WHM in respect to MP management. You'll notice that SMN and SCH both have built in DPS throttles (dps being tied to dots, low potency of ruin) to account for the fact that BRDs could pump them mana effectively.

[TouchandFeel]

snip.

Agreed, some sort of "burn through then build back up" mechanic for DRK mp management would make the most sense. The build back up phase could in effect work like a psudo cooldown, sort of like building wrath to use IB. All in all, I am definitely curious to see the exacts of how it works.