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  1. #21
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faelandaea View Post
    That accuracy thing is definitely something to think about. I was focusing on Spell Speed and Determination because I do not do anything offensive hardly at all, and really want potency and speed in my healing. Fortunately, if I read everything right, we can respec later on (even after we've moved on to the other stages). That bit of information gives me a lot more ease and less stress on choosing where to put stats in case I am unhappy with the result.
    Crit is your most important stat as a Scholar, followed by Determination. Don't forget, if you hit a crit on Adloquium or Succor, the shield it gives to your target is doubled. So on a crit of 2000, the person that you just healed receives not only 2000 hps worth of healing, but 4000 hps worth of shielding. That's absolutely huge. Spell speed is... well, terrible on a Scholar honestly. Our cast times are pretty fast as it is.

    You can fix your relic later if you end up with stats you don't like. All it takes is another sphere scroll. If you're still in the process of making your first sphere scroll though, I would suggest that you fix it now rather than completing that one and then fixing it later with a second scroll. It'll save you both alexandrite and soldiery.

    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    Loving the crits on my Adloquiums.
    Us tanks love those crits, too. Seeing a tank-cruncher hit for 0 always makes my day.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 02-13-2015 at 12:54 AM. Reason: Daily post limit >:|

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    How is 22 million gil nothing to you when you have absolutely no level 50 DoL or DoH? How do you even have that much?
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  3. #23
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    Fran Seara
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    Yes please listen to Ashkendor. Go crit stay far away from Spell Speed on Scholar. You don't need spell speed to cast Lustrate its instant cast. I went crit and I've noticed that EOS heals seem to crit more often giving me the spell speed up boots a lot. Not sure how this works but I'm not really missing Spell Speed. Loving the crits on my Adloquiums.
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    A quick correction to a misconception in this thread - critical hit succor does NOT double your shield, that only applies to Adlo, which is plenty reason enough to stack crit.
    Additionally, as Fran mentioned, stacking crit actually also effectively stacks spell speed. Anytime your summon crits (for all ACN classes and jobs) there is a 20% chance you will receive a spell speed bonus. More critical hits = more chance at spell speed bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altena View Post
    Acc is fairly important if you plan to land anything for end game. It is quite difficult to cap acc on healer without acc on your relic. Good SCH dps in coil helps quite a lot. If nothing else - it helps you carry a bit of extra weight when some DPS aren't up to par.
    A good SCH would deal damage, but a great SCH would also be able to do good dps without depending too much on attacks that need acc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sounders View Post
    A good SCH would deal damage, but a great SCH would also be able to do good dps without depending too much on attacks that need acc
    And a REALLY great Scholar will ensure that all their attacks will land, not missing opportunities to DPS and adding to their overall effectiveness.
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    ACC > Crit > Det

    Reasoning is that you cannot get ACC on main hand anywhere else, and you will never reach ACC cap so you get good returns on that stat.
    Having miasma, aero, ruin and energy drain land helps a lot (I seem to use energy drain often even in coil)

    And if you don't plan to DPS now, all the other weapons in the game are non ACC


    Also re rolling stats require you to replace all the materia I think
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    Faelandaea Dravin
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    In absolutely every MMO I play, a lot of players do debate about Crit. I do not believe there is a right or wrong when it comes to Crit - only a personal preference. However I do have a stand I take for my own personal preference as a healer.

    When it comes to healing, I do not like it to be a lottery. People always go strong with the ego, getting some big grin when they see a huge number fly across their screen, much like they just won the lottery - but really that's all it is - playing the lottery. I study the mechanics of the dungeons I fight in a lot, and there are fights that have so much constant AoE that I find myself constantly having to feed Succor to my team. People reply and say ""When it crits, you get this" . . . great . . . but the key word there is WHEN it crits. Not that it WILL crit. You never ever know when anything will crit. You cannot control it. If i am in a situation where my party has gotten whacked by a nasty mechanic, and their health shot way down and I need to get the team up fast, I'd rather depend on a few good heals with potency than a lottery chance on a possible crit that may or may not happen. This is why I try my best to focus on areas of overall potency and speed. Steady, good heals are a LOT better than a bunch of crappy heals followed by the occasional chance that you might land a heal worth mentioning. I see it constantly on the forums and in chat: "My heals crit for this much!!!" Great! But they never mention what the rest of their heals hit for - and there is probably a good reason why.

    EDIT: So people made good points that apparently Spell Speed sucks and even though I don't feel it myself, apparently SCH is a fast enough caster. So I am going to give Crit a chance on this scroll and see where it goes. Who knows? I might be happy.
    In the area of Piety, I definitely agree if you are a White Mage, but I have found s a Scholar that unless I get absolutely careless or something, it's nearly impossible to run out of mana. As long as I keep focus, watch the team, land my heals when they are needed, and use only what is needed, then my mana bar is literally always full. The only time it moves is if a huge AoE happens that hits the entire team and i have to spam Succor and Leeches to wipe off debuffs and get the team back up, but even in that situation the absolute lowest I have ever been in Mana on any dungeon is half. If a SCH ever runs out of Mana, then either the SCH is being absolutely careless with their casting or someone else in the team isn't doing their job (maybe that DPS that won;t stay out of mechanics - or even the other healer as I have sometimes encountered). I have never had to call out to a bard for mana song, and I have never had to tell my party "OOM stand by".

    In the area of Accuracy - if I were a DPS class I'd be all over Accuracy. On my Bard I am definitely going to crank out Accuracy along with my other needed stats. But as a healer my primary job is healing, and that will always be where my stats are focused. Heal will ALWAYS land. You cannot miss with a heal, and it is pretty much that way in every game I play. If the situation is so bloody dire that the healer has to do the DPS' job and help DPS, then I'll snap into Cleric stance, snap out some DoT's, slap on a spread if multiple mobs are involved, then GTFO out Cleric stance and go back to MY job, which is the healer. Sometimes people get so involved in DPS on a SCH that they forget their role, like the second week of WoD - I had to solo heal my team because the other healer went to Cleric stance - and STAYED there - even with multiple people in the party spamming him to get out of stance and help to heal. Why he wasn't kicked I have no clue, but he stayed that way for the entire run and only did DPS. Fortunately, because I made the decision I have made about what to focus on with my healer, I had the reliable potency and stability to keep the party up. I know WoD is not the best example, because it is a low end dungeon with very little mechanics and even an idiot can probably heal through that on his own, but it still happened, and I think if I focused on the wrong stats when choosing gear, I'd have not done nearly so well.

    I think if I absolutely had to pick 3 stats instead of 2, I'd still stick to Determination, Spell Speed and Crit, but for now I am going to go with 2 stats - Crit and Determination. Determination effects potency, so I'll get those nice, steady larger heals that are guaranteed to hit. Crit I am giving the chance to since it's worth giving a try to see how it does with my play style. Accuracy I'll leave to the DPS. People keep mentioning there's no ACC on anything except the weapon for SCH . . . has anyone thought that there's a reason WHY the devs made it that way?

    Again, it's personal preference, and I will NEVER tell any of you that you are wrong in your choices of stats. As long as you can manage your character and do your job, then there is no wrong answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylkis View Post
    Also re rolling stats require you to replace all the materia I think
    This is correct. Fortunately replacing the materia is no issue at all. However I also believe it required another Alexandrite for each replacement. THIS is where it might get time consuming.
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    Last edited by Faelandaea; 02-13-2015 at 07:22 AM.
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    SCH loves crit as their best secondary. For pure healing output go crit/det. That said I like the acc on mine. There are other weapons in the game for SCH that have healing output stats. There are no options for higher acc than the minimum outside the relic. I am thinking or restating mine to have more acc at some point... I just used acc to finish mine off b/c I ran out of money. Now I'm realizing I like the idea a lot lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Spell speed is... well, terrible on a Scholar honestly. Our cast times are pretty fast as it is.
    Maybe other games have spoiled me, but in FFXIV healer cast times do not feel that fast. But either way, I'll consider this. If I were to give up spell speed, I'd go Crit since so many people are so moved by it, but I still am not going to waste anything on Accuracy. As a healer, like I said if health is great and all, I'll switch modes and land some DoTs as a courtesy to make some fights a bit faster, but the DPS have their job and I have mine. I absolutely will not take away from heals to try to be a class I am not.

    Now if this were Rift and i were on a Chloromancer, then hell yeah Accuracy would hit the spot (pardon the pun). For those not familiar, that class was one that did DPS as a healer. That's right You did DPS as your main role, but you were classified as a healer class - because the damage you did was converted into party heals. So more DPS = more heals. So slap out Crit, Acc and heal potency and you had a massive machine to keep the party up while the spike healer focused on the tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazumac View Post
    SCH loves crit as their best secondary. For pure healing output go crit/det. That said I like the acc on mine. There are other weapons in the game for SCH that have healing output stats. There are no options for higher acc than the minimum outside the relic. I am thinking or restating mine to have more acc at some point... I just used acc to finish mine off b/c I ran out of money. Now I'm realizing I like the idea a lot lol.
    Okay, okay, you guys. All right I'll go restart my scroll as you made good points in your presentation of situations for Crit. I'll replace Spell Speed with Crit, but still going to focus on DET as my main stat on the scroll. And yeah I am pure healer. No I am not one of those lazy healers that will never switch to CS and pop in those DoTs when given the chance, though. But as far as stats I want to focus on my main duty in the team.

    So . . . looks like I am going with Crit and Det.
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    Last edited by Faelandaea; 02-13-2015 at 07:16 AM.
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