Suggestion: Single Player "Tutorial" Dungeons (no rewards)

[Vladislav]

Great idea + 1 from me

[Garlyle]

One of the things to note is that a lot of mechanics simply couldn't be done solo. Take Devour in T6 as an example - that's something that you have to understand how it works and be coordinated with your team - if you go in single player with no allies you'd literally never learn anything except that every once in a while the boss eats you, stuns you, and throws you out. To also borrow T6, look at Thorny Vines, etc.

These can't be done simply via "go into the fight with infinite HP".

SE is finding ways to teach players more complex mechanics though - largely by having similar but far less dangerous variations (See WoD's Atomos for the aforementioned Devour!). They'll never be able to teach the full 'method' for more complex fights though, because that's something that is developped by players. And yeah, there's absolutely a lot more that can be done to teach players just generally How To Not Suck At The Game... but simply doing a "go in face first on your own" doesn't teach a lot of the fights that require actual learning.

[MisterCorso]

I have always hated when I tell a party that it's my first run through a dungeon, and I take the time to ask for tips on bosses, and the only reply I get is "Didn't you watch a video?"

Maybe it's me, but I enjoy going through a dungeon or a raid without knowing everything that is going to happen. I like watching the cutscenes and seeing the mob I'm going to kill in its full glory. I only watch the CS on the first time through, and I do read up on how to beat each boss. I just don't like watching someone else play the whole thing before I have a chance to experience it.

Just my two cents... cheers!

[Ladyaceous]

One of the things to note is that a lot of mechanics simply couldn't be done solo. Take Devour in T6 as an example - that's something that you have to understand how it works and be coordinated with your team - if you go in single player with no allies you'd literally never learn anything except that every once in a while the boss eats you, stuns you, and throws you out. To also borrow T6, look at Thorny Vines, etc.

These can't be done simply via "go into the fight with infinite HP".

SE is finding ways to teach players more complex mechanics though - largely by having similar but far less dangerous variations (See WoD's Atomos for the aforementioned Devour!). They'll never be able to teach the full 'method' for more complex fights though, because that's something that is developped by players. And yeah, there's absolutely a lot more that can be done to teach players just generally How To Not Suck At The Game... but simply doing a "go in face first on your own" doesn't teach a lot of the fights that require actual learning.

Thank you for the feedback. I agree with what you are saying. The simplicity of my idea is not teach anyone anything, but only to give them exposure.

This idea is not an idea to restructure any tutorials (guildheists), as it would be implausible to try and do so for every encounter.

The idea would result in something like this in Garuda EX: "Okay, so what exactly does the spiny do?" Then the group could go about figuring it out on their own and/or give an explanation that isn't detail intensive.

The idea is also designed with minimal effort from SE in mind. They could design a tutorial for every single dungeon and encounter, but I think we can agree that is very unlikely. This idea would achieve much with little effort.

Thanks to all for reading, +1s

[Core1019]

Is this actually a thing endgame? I've just got to Prae and noticed that the community suddenly seemed to turn blunt at CM. Does this sort of thing continue into the later game? What happens to wanting to figure out a dungeon as you go along?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

No one cares about learning blind. If there's a video, you'll be told to watch before you're "allowed" to play so that people don't wipe or take longer to farm items.

[FranSeara]

Op,the best way learn new fights,DFs or primals is to "Make more Friends" in game. Friends dont mind learning with friends. Once you have a nice core group of gamer pals you be able to call in favors and help other player in your core learn fights to. "This is how I got stuck doing Titan Ex with 4 new players this moring........" Sometimes life is unfair.

[RyuDragnier]

Is this actually a thing endgame? I've just got to Prae and noticed that the community suddenly seemed to turn blunt at CM. Does this sort of thing continue into the later game? What happens to wanting to figure out a dungeon as you go along?

I've noticed it's really only that way with EX Primals and Coil. Nobody really gives a damn as far as I can tell for Tower raids and the other dungeons. But for Coil and EX Primals, PLEASE watch a video for those, they're far less forgiving to recover from.

[Lethallin]

No.

Not only would a single player experience not be able to introduce most of the mechanics of ANY fight that's worth practicing (Tank Swaps, DPS checks, staying away from party members, staying close to party members, how much party damage needs to be healed, mechanics targeting a single player, party positioning, the party doing something while the tank keeps the boss away)... ANY EX fight or Coil I can think of would be almost completely worthless to go in solo and immortal for actually learning the fight, and would only lead to confusion, overconfidence, and frustration when preconceived notions from this 'solo fight' are proven completely wrong in the real one.

The only thing this MIGHT help would be a few of the simple normal dungeons, which are not complicated or hard enough to bother with doing it like that. It would be a lot of developer and server resources for something that could be easily resolved by getting into an FC that's slightly better then "completely awful", who will almost certainly and happily get you through and give you tips on what needs to be done in standard dungeons.

[ruskie]

No one cares about learning blind. If there's a video, you'll be told to watch before you're "allowed" to play so that people don't wipe or take longer to farm items.

So glad I have a static that loves learning blind, a FC that seems to have more than an unusual amount of people that are willing to do it as well and a couple of LSs that one can pickup such people as well. And I'm noticing there are some pugs that accept that not everything is about watching videos and having things explained as well.