Healers doing damage

[cgbspender]

Change FC. They don't know a thing about healing. When you reach higher levels (and probably already in lower dungeons) you will meet comrades who will LOVE you for dps'ing. This is what differs from a good and a bad healer. The former contributes actively, the latter stays idle (and often can't even do his job right)

[Lyzern]

Change FC. They don't know a thing about healing. When you reach higher levels (and probably already in lower dungeons) you will meet comrades who will LOVE you for dps'ing. This is what differs from a good and a bad healer. The former contributes actively, the latter stays idle (and often can't even do his job right)

Did they raise the cap yet?

Also, please stop telling me to change FC, they are my friends despite disagreeing with me. I will join a static for that kind of thought process.

[melflomil]

Did they raise the cap yet?

Also, please stop telling me to change FC, they are my friends despite disagreeing with me. I will join a static for that kind of thought process.

Friends don't hold friends back!!!

[Kaskel2000]

The "this is the difference between a good healer and a bad healer" when it comes to dps really annoys me. A good healer keeps the party alive when the **** hits the fan and massive damage is being done. He manages to solo heal when the second healer gets locked out or DCs. Because that's a healers job, to keep everyone a live! Now if you your in a dungeon that doesn't require intensive healing and you can dps while healing then that's fine if your comfortable with the situation.

[Gallus]

A good healer keeps the party alive when the **** hits the fan and massive damage is being done. He manages to solo heal when the second healer gets locked out or DCs.

Except a flawless healer will know which phases of an instance/boss the **** can potentially hit the fan as you say and won't be in cleric there. If you don't switch to cleric in the gaps where the boss is ONLY autoattacking (there are A LOT of these) and decide to just stand there looking because...hey..."the boss is autoattacking, the raid could suddenly take a big spike damage because the boss might come up with an unexpected ULTIMA spell!"...it doesn't work that way buddy. Battles in this game are heavily scripted, meaning the boss does X move, and 5 seconds later, the boss does Y...etc. there is no such thing as "unexpected", just people not mastering their jobs/boss mechanics and making others fall behind.
A good player in this game knows exactly each boss rotation and knows when and what they should do in order to optimize damage/tank properly/heal properly etc.
The moment you start improvising in this game is because you are either unfamiliar or bad.

[Staris]

The "this is the difference between a good healer and a bad healer" when it comes to dps really annoys me. A good healer keeps the party alive when the **** hits the fan and massive damage is being done. He manages to solo heal when the second healer gets locked out or DCs. Because that's a healers job, to keep everyone a live! Now if you your in a dungeon that doesn't require intensive healing and you can dps while healing then that's fine if your comfortable with the situation.

no, thats a bear minimal healer.

A good healer understands the role of every person in the group and improves all of them as much as he can (same for every other person in the group).
That is all.
its not 8 solo players, its a team effort

[KisaiTenshi]

its not 8 solo players, its a team effort

People who come from other MMORPG's appear to be under the belief that it's 8 solo players. Particularly players who came from open-world PvP games. Because in these games a Healer is the punching bag, so nobody plays them. I actually hear of this problem in FFXIV with the PvP content as well, and I've never played the PvP content because of this.

If you're playing FFXIV as it was designed, the healer role is not meant to DPS inside the dungeons, but the option is there. If you want to play a healer who can DPS or a DPS who can heal, you pick Scholar/Summoner, but you still don't expect the DPS to heal any more than you expect the healer to DPS.

The entire reason Cleric Stance exists is so that people will play healers and can play the single-player storyline content. The FATE's are a great example of how awful healers are when compared to DPS-only roles. Every time you have to level sync to where you can't use Holy, the BLM/Thaumaturge and the Archer/Bard will kill everything before you even fire off a shot since they have AOE's at level 18 or 12. It was such a pain in the butt chasing FATE's around for the Atma's only to have one or two DPS players kill everything.

[Cynfael]

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I don't know why you keep telling people that healers aren't meant to use their DPS skills except while playing the small portion of the game that is solo content. If you're trying to encourage more bad, lazy healers, that would be the way to do it.

Also, you don't actually need to kill much of anything to get credit in FATEs; either heal the crap out of players with the most enmity or tag every single mob. Enmity gets you credit, not kill count.

Besides, I never have issues with FATEs even as a level-synced SCH OR WHM. Our damage is sufficient, and we will never die; what more could you ask for?

[KisaiTenshi]

I don't know why you keep telling people that healers aren't meant to use their DPS skills except while playing the small portion of the game that is solo content. If you're trying to encourage more bad, lazy healers, that would be the way to do it.

Also, you don't actually need to kill much of anything to get credit in FATEs; either heal the crap out of players with the most enmity or tag every single mob. Enmity gets you credit, not kill count.

Besides, I never have issues with FATEs even as a level-synced SCH OR WHM. Our damage is sufficient, and we will never die; what more could you ask for?

If the game was meant to be a cookie-cutter-clone of every lame MMORPG out there, then every class would be required to DPS and never do group healing. That is the point that people are somehow not getting.

When you do SOLO content, the WHM has only one AOE, Holy. You don't get to use it for most of the FATES because it's a level 45 spell. ACN/SMN/SCH has Bio II (Level 26,) Thaumatuge/BLM has several AOE's you get at level 12 and 18.

When you go into any dungeon where you are levelsynced below level 45, you don't get to use Holy either. When people on the forum are suggesting that a healer that stands around doing nothing is not contributing by not DPS'ing, or that they are lazy, they are completely missing the point that the healer role is not meant to be a DPS class because it takes more effort than a stand-alone DPS class, and takes all the blame for the party wiping. What would suck more is if the game actually enforced the job rules, so say you're fighting a boss and everyone but you, the healer is dead, and you're going to wipe, but look the boss has 1% HP (this has happened), maybe I can throw a DoT and kite the boss while I hit regen. If I stop and try to cast anything else, dead.

That's my point. If you're expecting the healer to DPS while in a party, then you're not playing the game as it was intended. It's up to the healer to decide if they want to. If you have a healer in your party, that gives the tank and DPS more time to focus on damage. If you expect the healer to DPS (so effectively the entire party is DPS), then everyone would be responsible for their own healing by bringing a buttload of pots to spam (which can't be done in FFXIV anyway.) This is how it is in other MMORPG's, and this is why freemium games stop being fun (couldn't afford to cashshop-only useful pots, well guess you get left for dead.)

And this brings up another point that I've seen thrown around the forum...

Not everyone is a spreadsheet nerd. If you are so hardcore that everyone must be maximizing every last second of the boss battle, you're completely sucking the fun out of the game. It's a game, not a freaking job at McDonalds.

The point about the FATE's is that the game makes a lot of assumptions around SOLO or PARTY play. If I have to chase around low level FATE's to complete ATMA's where none of the FATE's in that zone are above level 40, then it's going to be impossible as the DPS will beat me to them every time. Want to know how I got the last ATMA for Western Thanalan and the last Atma for Central Thanalan? I camped the "boss" fates, because the trash mobs for the other fates were dead before I could cast anything but Aero.

[Alex_Lenderson]

If you're playing FFXIV as it was designed, the healer role is not meant to DPS inside the dungeons, but the option is there. If you want to play a healer who can DPS or a DPS who can heal, you pick Scholar/Summoner, but you still don't expect the DPS to heal any more than you expect the healer to DPS.

No. A healer who never casts an offensive spell is inefficient. Just like a DPS who gets lazy on their rotations.