Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Tiggy]

The value of Coil gear wouldn't decrease by any factor more significant than adding Twine to CT content in the first place, especially in WoD, where you would still be limited to one i130 piece per week if you don't seek other sources of i130.

This much is fine and is what square will do. You'll have to farm the points for the poe gear and make the choice of an upgrade or 120 gear for the week. So its 2 weeks of work per 130. That's reasonable. However, that's not what many people here are asking for. Many are arguing for the pieces to be automatically upgraded to 130 drops meaning it's 1 week of work or 1 dungeon in some cases. That's not balanced at all.

[Krr]

This much is fine and is what square will do. You'll have to farm the points for the poe gear and make the choice of an upgrade or 120 gear for the week. So its 2 weeks of work per 130. That's reasonable. However, that's not what many people here are asking for. Many are arguing for the pieces to be automatically upgraded to 130 drops meaning it's 1 week of work or 1 dungeon in some cases. That's not balanced at all.

I don't really care about that argument then, as it's not the original topic of the thread.

(It's also a stupid one to have.)

It's also worth noting that we currently use a Primal Focus-style quest that splits weekly 'Coat and weekly-WoD-loot into separate lockouts, and we'll likely see that format adapted for 'Twine once it hits. In this model, you'd get one i130 per week at no opportunity cost to pick WoD over Poe. Though really, I don't see the big deal there. You're still only getting one piece per week, you just pick from two itemization distros.

There also have been a couple of posters noting that WoD as upgradable in the same way Poe is is somehow...a 'handout', and this baffles me. Which was mostly what I meant to address.

[Krr]

he value of coil to me among others in this thread is NOT THE NUMBERS on the gear you get for coil.

And you go on to write about how glamour doesn't cut it and you want a higher item level (i135) than everyone else. Which is it?

Sorry dude, it's an MMO with content deprecation and vertical progression. The stuff you got three months ago is gonna get less valuable over time.

[Black91CRX]

SE, I'm talking to you, you put the stuff here saying reach for the stars, and then said PSYCH! there's no stars; you're exactly the same as everyone else is still you may as well have never done the content and watched the ending on Youtube. When we release Alexander, you're just gonna do it all over again, and we're gonna spit in your face while laughing once more by giving the casuals equality they didn't earn.

Again, they should just make Coil gear a slightly higher item level than all others. But as it stands, same Item level or no, FCOB gear ISN'T the same as Ironworks. You're still obtaining unique gear that most people will not or cannot get. May not be much of a consolation to you but it's true.

[Jim_Berry]

Tbh >_> It'd be a whole lot better if they had made WoD gear i125, so you have an option between upgrading ironworks and dreadwyrm. Kind of hope they go that direction later on. Kinda defeats the purpose of releasing that new gear when usually the tome gear beats it and most people wouldn't waste a weekly item on something the same ilvl, even if its better.

But at the same time, they need more than two gear sets at the same ilvl, so we have more options to pick from and can mix and match, instead of "I'll get this full set", it'd be "Should I work for this piece? Or maybe that one?". That's what was great about older mmos. It gave you more to work for instead of only a single thing (expert) per day.

I'll never get Dread lol... So I'm happy with Iron and WoD.

[ShanaShirayuki]

@ ShanaShirayuki

I pointed out on Page 11 that all of the raging casuals basically ignored that post. They don't want an actual conversation with legitimate merits of opposing views, they want handouts and for people who strove for more than what was easy to consent to giving it to them without any interjection whatsoever. I wanted to post specifically to let you know I thumbs up'ed you.

I just quoted it to further the point those against the OP's request have, and to give those who are vehemently for it a chance to prove that they themselves can be rational and understand why it would be a very bad idea. Unfortunately, players such as Kiroh and Snugglebutt diminish any chance of that happening.

[Sorrik]

NyarukoW,

I must warn thee that mine system is flooded with Monster energy drink. Mine linguistics kung-fu may shame thee dramatically. Lol just playin a little, but really ... You came into this thread, didn't even read the entire page of the thread you were currently on when you created your post, and you got called out for it. You should be called out for it because it detracts from meaningful conversation when you can't follow events properly. I cited specific names and post numbers to counter your claim. Know what that is called? That's called Checkmate. Just accept it gracefully. Please do not make a scene.

As for your second comment about my attitude, lemme ask ya someting bout dis ere quote of yours:

because you will have the head start... There is new content for players to do...

What new content is there to do right now as of this post exactly? Caaaauuusseee 3.0 isn't out yet. If you're using the words "head start" and "starting line", you are attempting a logic path there. The logic is flawed. Your logic is essentially (paraphrasing) raiders will get a head start (which I COMPLETELY agree they SHOULD get) on Alexander based on the current gear available to them.

BUT DEY WON'T THO! My entire argument has been SE PREMATURELY (keyword that's why it's in caps) allowed casuals to catch up to us before releasing the new raid content thus devaluing our previously earned gear from FCoB. I'm talking about releasing Twines and Coats specifically here. SE should have saved that little bit until after 3.0 IMO.

[Its_Elodie]

I just wanted to creep in to say it kinda stinks how there's some obvious butthurt about casuals being able to upgrade their gear early or in the first place for that matter. So what, 95% of the playerbase should have nothing to do when they don't have time to join a static to have fcob on farm due to real life responsibilities and they've maxed their classes/gear and done the main story quest, primals, and dungeons? That's when people let their subs lapse or wait for the next patch. Things get boring and tired when there's no way to progress your character. There's not a whole lot to do end game besides crafting, the endless gear grind, and looking forward to the next patch at that point. Please tell me you don't want people to quit subbing when they can't progress anymore :/

[Elazu]

I just wanted to creep in to say it kinda stinks how there's some obvious butthurt about casuals being able to upgrade their gear early or in the first place for that matter. So what, 95% of the playerbase should have nothing to do when they don't have time to join a static to have fcob on farm due to real life responsibilities and they've maxed their classes/gear and done the main story quest, primals, and dungeons? That's when people let their subs lapse or wait for the next patch. Things get boring and tired when there's no way to progress your character. There's not a whole lot to do end game besides crafting, the endless gear grind, and looking forward to the next patch at that point. Please tell me you don't want people to quit subbing when they can't progress anymore :/

If they don't have time for coil, how do they have time to hunt 24/7?

[Moqi]

I don't even understand how this thread devolved into "filthy casuals shouldn't get MUH GEARS"

People caring waaaay too much about what other people are doing when it won't affect them at all. The guy next to me could be in ilvl200 and I wouldn't even notice if I didn't examine him but somehow it's important to make sure I have a higher ilvl than him.