a raid group i know...

[Ophie-Mio]

Asking any of the DPS to do the blue/red fire is an actual DPS loss. SCH's DPS is never going to match your BRD, and since SCH is primarily DoT based it is still okay. The loss is not as significant as the loss on any of your DPS doing it.

I don't want to start anything, but I'm curious how this is true given that BRD can move around and still attack and not actually lose any dps. The mechanic doesn't stun nor does it require anything more than a quick glance and adjustment on the part of any who do it.

How is it a dps loss when a BRD can do everything without stopping their attacks? It's like saying BRD was losing dps when they did missiles and Brainjack in T8.

[Ooshima]

I don't want to start anything, but I'm curious how this is true given that BRD can move around and still attack and not actually lose any dps. The mechanic doesn't stun nor does it require anything more than a quick glance and adjustment on the part of any who do it.

How is it a dps loss when a BRD can do everything without stopping their attacks? It's like saying BRD was losing dps when they did missiles and Brainjack in T8.

You didn't know that having the Bluefire debuff actually cuts over 90% of your offensive powers that your arrows only deals 10+ damage?

[DoubleD]

Ideally :
1) SCH
2) SMN
3) WHM
4) BRD

for the red/blue


We don't have a SMN in our group so I do ours as a BRD. It's how we started out with it so never bothered changing it.
DPS loss sucks but oh well lol. We don't have any team wide DPS issues so it doesn't really matter, especially at this stage when everyone's IL should be more than enough to go to next phase with 4 Benus without bothering with Pots

[Ooshima]

Ideally :
1) SCH
2) SMN
3) WHM
4) BRD

for the red/blue


We don't have a SMN in our group so I do ours as a BRD. It's how we started out with it so never bothered changing it.
DPS loss sucks but oh well lol. We don't have any team wide DPS issues so it doesn't really matter, especially at this stage when everyone's IL should be more than enough to go to next phase with 4 Benus without bothering with Pots

Well I'm still doing it too cos "everyone is used to it" but it sucks for me because I see my DPS drops from 500-525ish from Phase 1 down to crappy numbers lol.

And sometimes when one of the melee DPS (we run MNK NIN BLM BRD) gets lazy on the bennus and the OT asks "kill the bennu guys" and I'm like "brah I have blue fire and I am on the other end of the arena lol" (cos sometimes bad bluefire drops and tank has to pull bennu away already.

[Ophie-Mio]

You didn't know that having the Bluefire debuff actually cuts over 90% of your offensive powers that your arrows only deals 10+ damage?

The more ya know! I actually didn't. It's hilarious... I've cleared this and still didn't know. But yeah, I'm main healer (as SCH) and do the passing mechanic so I never noticed.

[ChriZirhC]

our SMN handles redfire for us. Initially I was the one(BRD) but then we realized that dots arent affected by the dmg debuff of bluefire and SMNs have sprint so positioning wasnt an issue.

[DoubleD]

Well I'm still doing it too cos "everyone is used to it" but it sucks for me because I see my DPS drops from 500-525ish from Phase 1 down to crappy numbers lol.

And sometimes when one of the melee DPS (we run MNK NIN BLM BRD) gets lazy on the bennus and the OT asks "kill the bennu guys" and I'm like "brah I have blue fire and I am on the other end of the arena lol" (cos sometimes bad bluefire drops and tank has to pull bennu away already.

yeah, I so wish the melee can cover for us damaging Benu when we're blue flamed, but they're busy pounding on Pheonix and oblivious lol. I don't think any of our party members even know about the 90% damage debuff lol. I didn't even notice until I figured out I was hitting for shit everytime I had blue flame lol

[Ooshima]

yeah, I so wish the melee can cover for us damaging Benu when we're blue flamed, but they're busy pounding on Pheonix and oblivious lol. I don't think any of our party members even know about the 90% damage debuff lol. I didn't even notice until I figured out I was hitting for shit everytime I had blue flame lol

Don't you guys read the tool tip of the various buffs/debuffs during progression lol

It cuts the healing you receive too.

[dejavutwo]

My group has the person who gets the red fire to run into the bluefire. Its not really a significant dps loss for melee as they can use gap closers to return to the boss, and we found that the fireball would often spawn right next to the person its tethered to, forcing them to run away anyway.

I like it because its a safe strategy and doesn't overly rely on one person to do everything.

[Kalut]

just have the whitemage do it, there is only like 2 seconds of solo healing involved at all anyway, and you dont lose out on dps.