Critical Hit Rate vs Determination (BLM & SMN)

[NefGP]

Hey, I was just wondering which is better?

I'm leaning more towards crit rate, since it'll make for really big Fire III's and summmons benefit from it as well, boosting Ifrit's damage (though Garuda doesn't benefit as much due to no AA)


For reference I'm 38 on both jobs (50 PLD & WAR though and 50 on all DoH & DoL so I got a lot of HQ gear I've made for myself).

Just can't seem to decide between pearl or goshenite



Determination on the other hand, will give me much more stable/consistent damage while not boosting it quite as much (IIRC, it takes 2 Determination to equal 1 STR/DEX/INT for damage).


While I'm at it, Spellspeed or Piety for WHM/SCH ? Currently opting for spell speed because I hate to see a Tank take a critical hit and die because the spell hadn't landed yet, and so far MP recovery hasn't been that big a deal.

[Gepeto]

Its been somewhat tested but I feel it could go either way due to the parsers not being super accurate but you can never really have too much of both. I would be leaning more towards saying BLM will benefit a lot more with +crit and SMN would probably be better off with +det even though DoTs can crit I wouldn't know how to argue that more base dmg would yield greater results over a small amount of crit chance without soft/hard caps.

[NefGP]

I'm pretty sure +crit would only apply to initial damage of any DoT and not the actual DoT itself (e.g. Thunder). Not sure about determination affecting the potency though.

[Gepeto]

Each tick has a crit chance ...Miasma and Bios don't have initial dmg use a target dummy with only 1 of the 2 DoT to keep track and just watch the numbers it's random but it happens but that's why I say a flat dmg increase would probably roll better than crit imo.

[erikdaae]

crit do affect dot, etc; archer lv48 traits

River of Blood - grants a 50% chance that critical damage over time inflicted by Venomous Bite or Windbite will reset the Bloodletter recast timer.

[NefGP]

That's not really a good example because you're going off a trait which changes how the ability functions.

[Thane]

That's not really a good example because you're going off a trait which changes how the ability functions.

DoT's can crit, this was confirmed a long time ago. Real simple to do. Go put a DoT on a target and watch the floating damage. Occasionally, the tick will spike, this is when the DoT has crit. My Bio II ticks for 88~90 damage every 3s, and occasionally spikes for 120~130 damage. I'm sure there's a video somewhere of this if you really desire more proof. Needless to say, Critical Hit Rate is (in most people's opinion) the better stat to build your gear with. As a SMN and BLM, I go INT > Crit > Det.

[gigi_frana]

how much critical chance % is 400 crit hit rate?

[Kalandros]

how much critical chance % is 400 crit hit rate?

If I'm not mistaken, 341 is the base crit at lv50 (without gear) and is equal to 5%, and every 14 crit rating afterward is +1%

541 would be around 19% crit.

[NefGP]

That's the other thing that's dumb, the tool tip really should give you a % relative to enemies your level, sorta like how accuracy is displayed in Diablo. Otherwise it's really just a random number with no tangible meaning, like a lot of the stats are :/