BLM DPS!!!

[Kael_Raiju]

Any thoughts on how we can compare the two in terms of numbers we could post here? I know I'm not the only one who uses the rotation I've described. I have yet to find someone running a different rotation able to outpace my numbers. Regardless of either rotation, neither will matter if you don't know the mechanics of the fight as I stated earlier. You HAVE to know when to flare, when to Fire II, when to move while casting, when to swiftcast, when to transpose/convert, manawall/ward. All of this plays into your ability to effectively DPS.

I would postulate that between these two rotations in discussion you won't see much of a difference in total numbers. Not enough to not do one or the other as they are basically the same minus when procs are used/not used. Now, if you're flaring at the beginning of a full MP bar I think we could all easily state that you'll have issues.

[Craiger]

You all should just go check out this document done with real maths, not just assumptions (no offense).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...DVkM1E#gid=117

First off, Open document, go to Calculator tab, check the dps number (says "DPS here")... The one with highest DPS (except some crazy rotations that doesn't work), is Thunder I -> Blizzard I -> Fire III as standard umbral rotation

no swiftcast flare-->convert-->fire 1-->bliz III to go with the int pot and raging strikes?

Yes, sorry forgot... Thanks for pointing out

[scarebearz]

Practice and test and see what you find works best for you.

There is a lot of bad info around about how do max DPS on BLM (a fair bit in this thread imo too ;D), but there are some useful things here and there.

Most useful tip I've seen anyone post is "make sure to always be casting".

[AniCelestine]

I saw people saying "if you have thundercloud proc + first starter proc -> Fire III - > Fire I -> Thunder III "

Please explain that please.

Because from my reasoning, since thunder cloud proc could happen every 3 sedond you have thunder applied on a target(s) so if you don't use it as soon as possible (assuming no movement required anytime soon, so no need to save it) you could potentionally loose a proc because you waited longer than 3 sec and got 2 thunder procs in row.

So, why would "Fire III -> (potentially losing a thunder proc) Fire I -> (potentionally losing a thunder proc, but could get a new fire proc) [Fire proc came so Fire III(based on the earlier Fire III procs > Fire I > Thunder III we're going to use fire I again](potentionally losing a thunder proc) -> Thunder III" be better than "Thunder III ->(potentionally a thunder proc) Fire III -> (potentionally a thunder proc) Fire I" if you are in a situation where you have both procs up.

Note: if you'd got the thunder proc right after you used thunder III proc, you'll already be casting your Fire III/Fire I(assuming you're following the "always be casting" guideline) before it registers to you, so you're mostlikely not going to be doing Thunder III -> Thunder III -> Thunder III and then losing your AF III stack and thus fucling up your rotation.

[Dextro]

I saw people saying "if you have thundercloud proc + first starter proc -> Fire III - > Fire I -> Thunder III "

Please explain that please.

None of the replies for this have really mentioned the true benefit, so let me tell you that it's for the purpose of fire-weaving the next Fire I using the Thundercloud proc.

Thundercloud is the only ability that you can fire-weave with no dps loss if it fails, and the potential of gaining an additional GCD via a non-wasted Firestarter proc is much greater than throwing out the Thundercloud immediately on the off-chance of getting another (5%)proc within your next 2 GCDs.

[AniCelestine]

None of the replies for this have really mentioned the true benefit, so let me tell you that it's for the purpose of fire-weaving the next Fire I using the Thundercloud proc.

Thundercloud is the only off-GCD ability that you can fire-weave with no dps loss if it fails, and the potential of gaining an additional GCD via a non-wasted Firestarter proc is much greater than throwing out the Thundercloud immediately on the off-chance of getting another (5%)proc within your next 2 GCDs.

That makes alot sense, haven't thought of it that way. And yeah, thundercloud has really low rate ( and loses on dmg vs fire III if I remember right), thanks for clearing that one out!

[Maero]

Really thundercloud proc should take priority over firestarter. Also i really am not certain of those of you starting off with T3, just curious and has Puro crunched numbers with it?
I rather only use T3 when i get thundercloud in those situations. Or at times were i get some lag and such and mana does not fill up after Ice 3, then the cast time of T3 allows mana to be refilled by then

[Garotte14]

Really thundercloud proc should take priority over firestarter. Also i really am not certain of those of you starting off with T3, just curious and has Puro crunched numbers with it?
I rather only use T3 when i get thundercloud in those situations. Or at times were i get some lag and such and mana does not fill up after Ice 3, then the cast time of T3 allows mana to be refilled by then

The reason most ppl start off with T3 for their opener is because of the extended DoT time. This allows you to get off your Swiftcast/Flare/Convert/Fire1 while the Dot is still ticking. For example if you were to use T1 or T2, it will fall off before the end of your opener giving you a few seconds where thunder is not ticking. At least thats what I think. I personally do not start off with thunder at all. I just start with Fire3>Raging Strikes>Fire1, etc. With not casting a Thunder spell, it allows me to get an extra fire spell off with the Raging Strikes buff. This is just my preferred method.

[Synestr]

Really thundercloud proc should take priority over firestarter. Also i really am not certain of those of you starting off with T3, just curious and has Puro crunched numbers with it?
I rather only use T3 when i get thundercloud in those situations. Or at times were i get some lag and such and mana does not fill up after Ice 3, then the cast time of T3 allows mana to be refilled by then

I disagree slightly, but only with thundercloud procs taking priority. You have 12 secs to use it. When it pops I toss out a fire, most time it procs(or has procced same time or shortly close to thundercloud). SO usually I go, Firestarter > Fire (if procs use again) > Thundercloud.

I only go this way due to Fire having a larger proc rate.

I agree with not starting with T3. Should be using T2 most of the time to start if you start with it. The difference is only 3 secs on duration and the initial difference of 10 potency. Waste of MP for little gain, and longer cast time keeping you from entering AF.

But again just my opinion.

[scarebearz]

Really thundercloud proc should take priority over firestarter. Also i really am not certain of those of you starting off with T3, just curious and has Puro crunched numbers with it?
I rather only use T3 when i get thundercloud in those situations. Or at times were i get some lag and such and mana does not fill up after Ice 3, then the cast time of T3 allows mana to be refilled by then

The DPS difference between using thundercloud proc right away and weaving it, is minimal, as is the difference between starting rotation.

The real difference between BLM's is how people handle their movement, while dealing with boss mechanics.