Various english titles..

[PokingAround]

Classless as this is, I feel like an injustice has been done in nobody stating this:

Man, OP and first got /served/.

[Gilthas]

Classless as this is, I feel like an injustice has been done in nobody stating this:

Man, OP and first got /served/.

Lol yeah. I mean, with the Midgardsormr thing, the "poor translation" argument at least had some legs to stand on. But this? Nitpicking at its finest.

Great to see how the development process works though. Was interesting to read.

[desufin]

I don't feel like I got "served". But I do think the consistency of what Fernehalwes said and some titles are still grossly misleading. Also Fernehalwes post brings up another point for me. If so much are based on english and you fully accept that the JP client simplifies it a lot due to secondary language, why do you automatically assume that every non-JP/FR/DE/CE client is automatically a native english speaker? I know that's not what you aimed for but your reasoning for some things comes across like it and it absolutely shows in the game. And why there are threads about people complaining about the old english writing (which despite english being a secondary language to me I actually like so keep it up).

If english titles are supposed to have more flair and flavour, how can you possibly think a simple title such as Something-caster is better or more descriptive than something that has angler or fisher in the title? It's still misleading and even if I understand the Caster reference I absolutely hate it and forever will because it's misleading in english and pretty much everyone I know finds the english FSH titles to be misleading in general (with exception of the Ambitious Angler).

[Andaeron]

...why do you automatically assume that every non-JP/FR/DE/CE client is automatically a native english speaker?

This is because each client is localized to cater to people who speak the client language regardless of whether or not it is their first language- or least to a sufficient enough level to know that "casting" is actual fishing terminology, and that the word English should always be capitalized. It is only misleading if you have a narrow grasp of homophones in the English language.

[EDIT:] If you REALLY want to break it down, think of it this way- You go to an area as an FSH, use /ac "Cast" enough times, and you get the "_____caster" title. How is this hard for anyone to grasp?

[Gilthas]

But, but...

I'm sorry, but while you may personally not like the titles that use "caster" the term is not confusing for everyone.

The only thing you're doing is going off of a tangent for the EN localization not being a direct translation of the sacred language.

[desufin]

I'm sorry, but while you may personally not like the titles that use "caster" the term is not confusing for everyone.

The only thing you're doing is going off of a tangent for the EN localization not being a direct translation of the sacred language.

It's clear you didn't read the OP and are just a mindless drone of the part referred to as Fernehalwes Defense Force. Which I thought was just an exaggeration made up but reading most of the posts in the thread that only showed up when Fernehalwes responded (weeks later). I did not automatically assume or claim the titles were originating or better in JP, I specifically said:

Maybe I'm just one of few who find these to be done way too liberally when it comes to translations but a fair amount (by a fair I mean a lot) of the achievement titles feel really misleading or outright wrong in their english interpretations compared to JP/FR/DE.

Nowhere was I playing favorites (other than saying the EN translations were inferior which frankly does come down to a lot of opinion after what Fern said in response). But it doesn't stop his reasoning and the result being inconsistent. As pointed out Green Eyes vs. Oilvert in a previous post for example and many others.

The Ambitious Angler is an actual english title, I personally don't find the rest of the FSH titles to be equally good in english and misleading or ambiguous is irrelevant because most non-fishers in the game do NOT relate them to be with fishing at all and if we really want to go into detail of how Cast is the main action of FSH and hence why it should be Master Caster I'm grossly freaking offended by the title because by this logic, it just says you are a master button masher vs. being a legendary fisher in any other language. That's not what I think they aimed for with "Master Caster".

[PokingAround]

if we really want to go into detail of how Cast is the main action of FSH and hence why it should be Master Caster I'm grossly freaking offended by the title because by this logic, it just says you are a master button masher

You can't be serious.

[PokingAround]

I don't feel like I got "served".

Well, you did. Sorry. The crux of your argument was that these titles weren't faithful to the original material when they are, in fact, the original material.

And why in the world would language-specialized clients not attempt to cater largely to native/fluent speakers? I don't want everything handed to me in short, simple sentences because there might be some non-native speakers using the EN client. That doesn't make any sense at all.

And even if one takes that the term "caster" doesn't immediately invoke the idea of fishing, labeling it "misleading" is... misleading. At worst it's ambiguous. Misleading generally connotes deliberate intent.

I will say at least that if I cared about titles, I might want mine to be a little clearer, but it's not lacking in flair or flavor at all. It just isn't what you want it to be. "Master Caster" rhymes, for crying out loud. It's snappy. It's no less lacking in flair or flavor than Ambitious Angler; alliteration and rhyming are pretty close cousins.

[Adrian74]

For me the 'master caster' tittle is the funniest of them all, and here comes the story of why, short one I promise:

Even if my fisher is 50, I didn't go too much into it, (That said, it's only 50 so my fishertainers can bring me everything I need). I didn't gain those tittles, or if, didn't see it perhaps!.... The case is... I have seen that tittle only on BLMs or SMN in dungeons, so I thought "Hey, what a cool tittle!.... Where could he possibly get it?..." I had to contain my curiosity because pride, and did never check...

Now today I know... Master caster is not someone who is super pro with BLM or SMN, but... A FISHER!...

[LineageRazor]

Now today I know... Master caster is not someone who is super pro with BLM or SMN, but... A FISHER!...

This is exactly the problem being expressed by the initial poster. Pretty much anyone who sees this title is going to assume that it came from something from SMN or BLM - NOT from FSH. A FSH who has accomplished a difficult task of the sort required to get Master Caster wants people to recognize them as an awesome FSH when they wear the title. It's actually a large part of the reason that I prefer to use "Of Dragons Deep" - even if that, too, doesn't necessarily bring FSH to mind, it's less prone to folks making assumptions.

That said, the existence of a few bum titles doesn't bother me much. Most of them are pretty decent, and it's too much to expect that they'll ALL be winners!