working as a team in a party

[Brahma]

I think it's important to be nice. Always. I know that's cliche, but there are so many reasons that someone could not be performing as well. I'm not calling out the OP (or anybody), but I think it's an important thing to note in these threads. Keep your complaints to yourself or LS/FC/TS/Vent, etc... I can't stand rude players, who aren't willing to help new players learn, especially in Duty Finder. This is the Duty Finder; not the Ritz Carlton.

[Eye_Gore]

I think it's important to be nice.

[Lollie]

Just an observation. Op has their posting class set to mrd implying they changed it specifically from gld to such. Is not the bread and butter of mrd aoe the heck out of things with the highest enimity modified ability in the game?

More on topic I've seen a trend lately where lower il tanks are actually holding hate better than higher ones lately, a disturbing trend. An il90 tank can hold hate against a blm brd il120+ combo going hard at it if you cant hold the pack after it is gathered and stopped that tends to be a tank problem.

If any runs ahead of the tank and they die definatly their problem.

[Anubis_Nephthys]

I'm sure your macro works fine, but I just want to point out that it's not necessary. You can simply watch the tank. The one he attacks first will be red.

[Atomnium]

Wrong. If dps don't "nerf" themselves and they wipe the group, then the dps are amazingly bad.

Is the tank terrible? Then you tank next time. But if you're too lazy to tank, then at least be a team player and help out if you realize the tank is bad.

More tanks could be better at holding aggro, but guess what ... they're not. Work with what you get. Or keep telling tanks to "get good or go home" and then try to puzzle out why the queue is so long for dps.

The game is old enough to accept the competitive spirit in PVE and it took months for some players to master they roles for a lot of different duties, you just can't come and ask them to nerf their capacities in order to "carry" someone in lv 50 contents.

Not everyone is partisan of the "let's jump into the mediocrity boat" and silently accept the punishment of playing with headless chickens, if the situation is really hopeless there is no reason to accept it... The kick button exist for a reason.

Also... :

at lvl 50+ there is no way for a DPS to pull hate in any dungeon from a competent tank unless the tank is plain garbage or totally undergeared or fight-mechanic is designed like that. Low lvls is something different. DPS should never have to hold back ever on DPS at lvl 50+ content. for Offtank DPSing thats a different story.

^ This.

Awesome pic xD made me laugh a lot, thanks.
It summarize well this discuss . Being nice and helpful is an exceptional feeling but keep in mind that the limit between "being nice" with people and "being used/abused" by other people is very slight. Beware to not cross the line.

[NyarukoW]

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But... I'm going to be extremely rude now,.....

You come to theses forums just to be rude to people? Seriously?

"competitive spirit in PVE" ...Not everyone is partisan of the "let's jump into the mediocrity boat" ... The kick button exist for a reason.

The heck? Learning to work together with other players is hardly mediocrity, it is improving teamwork. The vote kick button does exist for the reason of kicking players that is wiping the group and harassing others, not to be abused on a tank that is trying to do their best. There is competitive spirit, but it is not about being mean and abusive to other players or a tank like the OP.

You do NOT need to speed run every !@#$% instance or dungeon. Taking things at a more measured pace where people do not wipe is more than good enough, and not mediocrity. I heal a lot of instances, and you want to know who loses aggro? It is the moron speed runner tank that tries to pull everything including their mother, and fails to keep aggro. They run off without a word, sometimes even before protect, ignoring the fact that we lack AOE because you got monk and smn or something like that. You know what I do to these tank? I E4E, regen, medica2, and keep the group alive, pickup whatever aggro, switch to cleric stance, and holy the heck out things, and let the tank die with the last mob while the rest of the group is perfectly fine and then we laugh at the silly tank, and I get to recoup my MP, while the tank takes the walk of shame back. Usually that does the trick for stopping stupid mass pulls.

The tanks do NOT set the pace by any stretch of the imagination, nor does any single player. It is about teamwork and working together and communicating. If these speed running tanks think that they are hot stuff, then keep that aggro, and stay alive using the cooldown rotations, so if the tanks are going to pull big, they better be ready to take big bunch of hits and not die, so everyone else can DPS stuff down fast. Or the tank can do the sensible thing, talk to the group, coordinate and pull smaller, that is not mediocrity and there is no shame in that either.

[Shadex]

Aggro management is everyone's responsibility, not just the tanks.

[PArcher]

Ah, DPS who think that their only job is to DPS as much as they can, regardless of who they're with or what is going on.

How many of you wipe to ifrit or levi ex cause you won't hold DPS on the boss when adds are coming since you have to have the biggest numbers possuble? How many of you cause wipes in dungeons because you have a newer tank with a much weaker weapon than you and won't tone things down?
I don't call you good DPS, or even ok. Your bad, maybe even terrible.
And I won't hesitate to let you die if you pull aggro off me (or the tank if I'm healing) while grouping mobs up during a big pull for aoe.

Learn your role; knowing when to hold shows you know the fight and who you're matched with and understand what being a good DPS means

[Atomnium]

The heck? Learning to work together with other players is hardly mediocrity, it is improving teamwork. The vote kick button does exist for the reason of kicking players that is wiping the group and harassing others, not to be abused on a tank that is trying to do their best.

Oh god please, not you.
You are doing it again, quoting few sentences in order to look like the cool, nice and smart guy, no thanks.
To make it short, reading you since way too many months made me understand that arguing with you is a sterile and hopeless discuss, please find another prey man

[Woggers]

When I was leveling tanks I actually liked it when dps went all out. I had to learn my rotation better so I could hold all the mobs. It made me a better tank for sure.

On level 50 dungeons and definitely when you have a BLM and BRD in your pt you should be expecting them to be using AoE attacks on the mobs. If this is when you're losing control of the aggro then I recommend using Flash/Overpower more frequently.

When I BLM I'll always AoE if tank pulls 3 or more mobs at a time. If the tank is having trouble holding hate even with Quelling Strikes up I'll switch to single target rotation. You need to adapt to what's currently going on. And work together, remember there is 3-7 other people playing with you too. Your way is not the only way of doing things.