working as a team in a party

[DarkStaoneDragon]

When the tank marks things please fight in order of the numbers, when I tanked I would mark things, and one or both DPS's fought something else, and in a attempt to pull it/them off the DPS one of the others would go after the healer, so I stopped pulling hate off the DPS, it's not the tanks or healers job to teach DPS how to count, if you don't want to follow numbers, don't use DF make a party/use PF, have any other tanks had this problem? if so what did you do about it?

as for me and my Wife we gave up on pulling it off DPS's that wont follow the number order, like the day before yesterday in amdapore keep hard we had a BLM and BRD that ran ahead and when the BLM died he said "GJ" my Wife was a PLD I was WHM, I told her "It's his fault he died, I wasn't going to heal him for running ahead" she felt bad that he died, so tanks out there what do you do?

[Sove92]

Let them die if they act stupid, keeping them alive just encourages them.

[Atomnium]

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Your argument is totally legitimate for low level dungeons, you just can't expect or count on nice hate holding tanks during low level DF experiences out of the lv50 dungeons.

But... I'm going to be extremely rude now, take care.
Sorry but for most dungeons 50 you shouldn't loose agro, just learn to keep hates better. The amount of bad lv50 tanks is truly impressing, it's even more sad when they are in the ilv100-ilv120+ range, what a shame.

You just can't ask your DPS to nerf themselves just because your tank is pure garbage, if he/she can't hold hate on pack of mobs as level 50 with decent gears, then the problem isn't your DPS but the tank. And so, the solution is simple get better at tanking or change main job.

[DarkStaoneDragon]

Your argument is totally legitimate for low level dungeons, you just can't expect or count on nice hate holding tanks during low level DF experiences out of the lv50 dungeons.

But... I'm going to be extremely rude now, take care.
Sorry but for most dungeons 50 you shouldn't loose agro, just learn to keep hates better. The amount of bad lv50 tanks is truly impressing, it's even more sad when they are in the ilv100-ilv120+ range, what a shame.

You just can't ask your DPS to nerf themselves just because your tank is pure garbage, if he/she can't hold hate on pack of mobs as level 50 with decent gears, then the problem isn't your DPS but the tank. And so, the solution is simple get better at tanking or change main job.

so what your saying is if someone pulls ahead of the tank and healer we are supposed to run after them and save their ***es? yeah if they want to pull ahead then their lives are up to them to save, so now you have a good day.

[Sadana]

so what your saying is if someone pulls ahead of the tank and healer we are supposed to run after them and save their ***es? yeah if they want to pull ahead then their lives are up to them to save, so now you have a good day.

Oh, you mean specifically running ahead and pulling? Nah, if they want to tank that bad, I'll let them. The suggestion has been made more than once, too, to go with friends. Perhaps try that first instead of snapping at those here who are trying to offer you ideas. ^^v

[AyaLiz]

so what your saying is if someone pulls ahead of the tank and healer we are supposed to run after them and save their ***es? yeah if they want to pull ahead then their lives are up to them to save, so now you have a good day.

I've run my fair share of dungeons and I can't recall a single time where someone felt inclined to run ahead and pull. Judging by the fact that you felt like creating a thread about this, I'm guessing this is a regular occurrence for you. Have you ever considered that the pace you set while tanking dungeons might be a little slow?

[odie]

I've run my fair share of dungeons and I can't recall a single time where someone felt inclined to run ahead and pull. Judging by the fact that you felt like creating a thread about this, I'm guessing this is a regular occurrence for you. Have you ever considered that the pace you set while tanking dungeons might be a little slow?

I've seen this quite frequently. Often people will rush ahead without shield buffs and die. Its level 50 content, not sastasha. Let's be smarter than to think you're tanking the whole thing as a dps. What is rare though is a slow tank, but i see impatient party members all day.

[Atomnium]

so what your saying is if someone pulls ahead of the tank and healer we are supposed to run after them and save their ***es? yeah if they want to pull ahead then their lives are up to them to save, so now you have a good day.

That's not what I said, also your main post wasn't pointing at this.
Of course early puller as DPS should not happen and the healer is actually in the right to let the said DPS die miserably for pulling solo.

It will not speed up anything by pulling early/solo if your base team is already "bad or low", having good DPS but poor heal/tank or good heal/tank doing massive pulls but crappy DPS will provide the same result and will set your dungeon speed since the very start. #commonlogic.

Doesn't change what I said in my previous post though.

[IndigoHawk]

You just can't ask your DPS to nerf themselves just because your tank is pure garbage, if he/she can't hold hate on pack of mobs as level 50 with decent gears, then the problem isn't your DPS but the tank. And so, the solution is simple get better at tanking or change main job.

Wrong. If dps don't "nerf" themselves and they wipe the group, then the dps are amazingly bad.

Is the tank terrible? Then you tank next time. But if you're too lazy to tank, then at least be a team player and help out if you realize the tank is bad.

More tanks could be better at holding aggro, but guess what ... they're not. Work with what you get. Or keep telling tanks to "get good or go home" and then try to puzzle out why the queue is so long for dps.

[Damane]

Wrong. If dps don't "nerf" themselves and they wipe the group, then the dps are amazingly bad.

Is the tank terrible? Then you tank next time. But if you're too lazy to tank, then at least be a team player and help out if you realize the tank is bad.

More tanks could be better at holding aggro, but guess what ... they're not. Work with what you get. Or keep telling tanks to "get good or go home" and then try to puzzle out why the queue is so long for dps.

at lvl 50+ there is no way for a DPS to pull hate in any dungeon from a competent tank unless the tank is plain garbage or totally undergeared or fight-mechanic is designed like that. Low lvls is something different. DPS should never have to hold back ever on DPS at lvl 50+ content. for Offtank DPSing thats a different story.