Beseechings of a long time healer

[Urthdigger]

Quite honestly? A lot of people feel DPS is a role where it doesn't matter if they suck. People who are scared of the pressures of tank or healer go there, so they won't get yelled at and cause a wipe if they fail.

Guess what? DPS checks are becoming more and more common. We DO notice when a DPS messes up. We need to just start putting the same pressure on DPS that we put on healers and tanks. Do your damn job or get the hell out.

[Staris]

Make players who get hit by avoidable mechanics lose 10 points on their loot rolls per hit!

[NorthernLadMSP]

Make players who get hit by avoidable mechanics lose 10 points on their loot rolls per hit!

You know, I was just thinking about something very similar this morning while reading the thread about primal ponies. I relayed a frustration about this weekend doing many, many runs of Ifrit EX. The particular example, was that on Saturday night, I got in with a particular group and we ended up getting about 7 kills in before party disbanded. Well, the DRG who kept dying every single time (sometimes twice per run) ended up winning the Nightmare mount that dropped with a 99, and I had to think, why the hell do these kinds of people always get rewarded for their failures? Then it made me think of how awesome it would be if your roll chances were reduced based on poor performance, which sounds similar to what you are saying.

[Dearche]

This is a very nice idea actually. Especially if they show the rolls as "87-(10*5)=37", to emphasise why the end roll is so low. I was talking to someone else, and his suggestion was some sort of stacking debuff every time you get hit. Not sure what's good, as the most obvious "-10% attack damage per stack for 2 minutes" tends to punish the whole party rather than than the individual, which I'd rather avoid.

The other most pressing issue would be that it would have to be something that is difficult to ignore. Bad players won't notice that the damage they're doing is going down, or that they're not doing any damage at all. They don't notice that their life has dropped to 10%. All they know are "am I in range of attacking?" and "Am I still alive?".

[MilesSaintboroguh]

What if people don't care about loot?

[firstsin]

I like the loot idea but there have been scenarios where I am solo healing and there is only soo much I can do. This leads to some players being sacrificed so others can survive.

I have even taken the hit for the team just so that the tank or that one dps can live long enough to kill the boss.

Also this is open to exploitation. Healers stop healing certain players to reduce their loot chances.

[Werhusky]

You want people not get hit by avoidable stuff? - Get a circle of friends that take critizism serious and not personal.
Imo no need to punish people for being bad, they punish emselves by slower progression. Yeah the real bad players find still people that carry em through a T13 kill and yes the dead people also get the loot but we only find it annoying because we saw em die and still...
Skill is rewarded with your own feeling of victory game design cannot punish bad players because everyone can suffer of lags, irl stuff and other kinds of distraction. Stuff happens talk and dont be mean.

[TweekTweak]

Having pugged a lot of the Ex primals, I find most of these "bad players" turn good after a couple rounds its just too bad most people drop out before then. The biggest problem I see as a healer is players being undergeared to the point where they need individual heals on top of group AOE. This becomes VERY annoying when your WoD group has MT or when you're doing urths font and just don't have the time to heal DPS outside of AoE. That said, it would be nice if the duty finder had a "learning party" que for Expert primals and coil, watching and reading guides only help so much before hand.

[firstsin]

2 second stun = 2 seconds that one player cannot do anything = more chances of getting by more attacks and dying.

So instead of healing you'll be faced with a party which is stunned because they got hit by AoE.

DPS will no longer be able to push DPS. Healers will no longer be able to heal and Tanks will be loosing aggro left and right.

Sorry but this is just a horrible idea. You idea to punish less skilled players is silly. They are already struggling to do certain content and now you want to make it harder for them.

[Dearche]

firstsin, I'm not suggesting these stuns be added to all AOEs, but rather any new lower difficulty duties. Don't put them in Coil or EX Primals where one stun could wipe, but in the normal duties where there are no consecutive AOEs, and a 2s would only be an annoyance.

Besides, SE has already implemented much more severe punishments already. WoD has death as well as many other insta-kill attacks. Keeper has quite a few ultra damage AOEs and attacks it's own wipe mechanic. WP HM has several wipe potential mechanics throughout the bosses. And AK HM is insane when it comes to punishments. I've seen tons of players instantly killed to the 1st and 3rd boss's single target killers. I've wiped repeatedly against the 2nd boss because if the healer messes up and gets hit from confuse, even if everyone else did perfectly, the party will go from 100% to 0% during the 15s of confuse.

What I'm asking for is regular, but smaller punishments that only affect the offender, not the whole party.