Level 50 Dungeon Level Syncs

[Ashkendor]

We are already on the cusp of a lot of this older content becoming irrelevant to a growing sector of the player base. And there is so much potential for it to become even more irrelevant to a larger group of players once 3.0 hits. If they really want them to run this older content to help older players... the LAST thing they need to do is ramp up more restrictions on the content.

Exactly. There's a point at which additional soldiery/poetics simply won't tempt many players. Poetics are easy to cap in minimal time. The game practically grabs you and says HERE HAVE SOME SOLDIERY at every turn right now. I know I cap without realizing it several times a week and end up having to go buy soldiery mats and maps just so I'm not wasting it. I don't even really need these things (the mats are cheap as hell on the market board and I can grind out alex via FATEs while I spiritbond) but since I have it, I mayaswell spend the soldiery for something at least vaguely useful. A friend of mine frequently comes into my static's Mumble and asks if anyone needs any kind of soldiery mats because he has literally nothing else that he wants to do with the tomes.

I'm of the belief that making the content "more relevant" via stricter level syncs would simply make most players shrug and avoid it completely. We'd end up with Party Finder full of Zodiac grinders that would rather not end up in a dungeon with new people, no matter how big of a bonus they're getting. Time is more valuable than tomes, so we'd basically end up with Mythflox v2.0. Abandoned queues and newbies that can't even start their relic quests would become the norm; let's face it, nobody wants to run Amdapor Keep at i50-i70 unless they absolutely have to.

[Mykll]

(the mats are cheap as hell on the market board and I can grind out alex via FATEs while I spiritbond)

But, Fates Sync you down, unless you are using weapon, full left and rights sides to SB, then you won't notice AS much. But you are still missing some of your abilities at the very least. Why are you not shrugging off any and all Fates and avoiding them completely? Because you want something so SE forces you to re-run old content. If some dungeons REALLY become empty, SE will just make relic 3.5 steps go back into pre-level 50 dungeons, make the process up upgrading you weapon even MORE weird by fighting yet even weaker enemies, all so that no matter what you want to do in the game (I guess except zerg hunts) SE will forever force you into older content.

let's face it, nobody wants to run Amdapor Keep at i50-i70 unless they absolutely have to.

I don't think the vast majority of those that want stricter syncs wants that. I know I do not, but heck, I'm still mad they took out Bees on Demon Wall. They just think that ilvl 110 makes it way too easy.


I would like stricter syncs. For me personally there is less fun to be had face rolling and never bother moving from any AOEs more boring than working through piles of trash. Guess I am also the same masochist that misses the old EQ camp spots, player driven buffing camps and corpse retrieval services, and that death should have a harsher penalty than simply "try again", woulsn't hate it if you could only loot items for your currently played class/Job, and would absolutely love it if ALL equipment could be at the very least sold to vendors, turned in for GC seals, and SB for material. But even though I think that, I still have a lot of fun in FFXIV. And, even though I think that, again, I do see the other side of it. Some compelling arguments there. I have my opinion but that doesn't make me blind to the other side.

[Ashkendor]

But, Fates Sync you down, unless you are using weapon, full left and rights sides to SB, then you won't notice AS much. But you are still missing some of your abilities at the very least. Why are you not shrugging off any and all Fates and avoiding them completely? Because you want something so SE forces you to re-run old content.

FATES in North Thanalan do not sync you down. We either do FATEs there in a party or do extremely low level ones. Even with the sync, fully geared level 50's typically wreck low level fates in 30-60 seconds.

If some dungeons REALLY become empty, SE will just make relic 3.5 steps go back into pre-level 50 dungeons, make the process up upgrading you weapon even MORE weird by fighting yet even weaker enemies, all so that no matter what you want to do in the game (I guess except zerg hunts) SE will forever force you into older content.

That's what premades are for. I have plenty of friends with Zodiac that I'll be working with. :3

I don't think the vast majority of those that want stricter syncs wants that. I know I do not, but heck, I'm still mad they took out Bees on Demon Wall. They just think that ilvl 110 makes it way too easy.

If it's about "preserving the integrity of the content" then how can you do anything less? Syncing it to i90 or i100 still lets you tear the place to the ground in record time. People were facetanking Imminent Catastrophe even before it got nerfed. People were speed pulling Wanderer's Palace in i90 gear. *shrugs*

And, even though I think that, again, I do see the other side of it. Some compelling arguments there. I have my opinion but that doesn't make me blind to the other side.

I'm glad you aren't completely blind to the other side of it. Honestly, neither am I. I get that people want to let newbies experience the same content that they did, but I don't really feel that there's an efficient way to turn back. I guess there's a kind of a nostalgia thing that goes with it. The content just becomes more and more irrelevant as time goes on, and I feel that making stricter level syncs just makes it less likely new people will be able to even get through it. Some things you just kinda had to be there when it was rolled out.