Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
A lot of people in this thread seem to forget how impatient people were for tough dungeons like Pheros. People would get in, see it was a tougher dungeon, and quit instantly. This scenario would be no different.
Well, people bailing on Pharos Sirius is one of the reasons that the 30-minute bail penalty was implemented. With the exception of a bare handful of dungeons, even with undergeared newbies along the dungeon can be completed in under 30 minutes. A speedrunning might groan, but they are unlikely to outright quit. They have the choice of sticking it out and guiding the newbie through, or leaving, waiting 30 minutes to try again, and possibly finding themselves in ANOTHER newbie group.

While it's been hard on speedrunners, the 30-minute penalty has done much to improve the lot of newbies - and I believe that it will continue to do so. With that as a stick, and first-time bonuses as a carrot, impatient players have a lot of incentive to stick things out. These bonuses and penalties can always be adjusted whenever the balance shifts.