tanks with strength accessories

[Alistaire]

You wouldn't even need to see the numbers about the returns on parry; just go by the fact it's not consistent mitigation in a game where healers have to prepare for big hits and react to big hits as if you're not going to parry. Parrying a hit just means your healers will overcure you in most situations that matter.

[Niqote]

In some situations its just fine, because yes you don't need 12k HP for a majority of content we have available to us.

But if you enjoy pulling a group of 12 mobs and expect your return in DMG to be better then my Holy bombs...you are both greatly mistaken and you are slowing us down; which I assume is the exact opposite of intent.

[Ashkendor]

In some situations its just fine, because yes you don't need 12k HP for a majority of content we have available to us.

But if you enjoy pulling a group of 12 mobs and expect your return in DMG to be better then my Holy bombs...you are both greatly mistaken and you are slowing us down; which I assume is the exact opposite of intent.

With the stun from holy and proper mitigation, it's not an issue though. I've done big pulls (at least on older content) with my strength accessories on and have run into no problems. It's a complete non-issue if the tank has pentamelded accessories, since in that case they're getting huge amounts of strength *and* vitality.

[Asierid]

Trash is a different matter and entirely situational. If you happen to run with a BLM/WHM combo in a party then there really isn't a need for STR since trash ends up dying in seconds.

Bosses on the other hand, full on STR. No cleric stanced healer is out DPSing a decent set of STR accessories/attributes. The less time the boss takes, the less damage going out overall. Besides, who needs 12k HP on 4 man content?

[Miaa]

More HP means healer can stay in cleric stance longer. I've had to heal STR tanks that I couldn't even get my dots off on sch before i had to get out of cleric stance to keep them from dieing.

[Ashkendor]

More HP means healer can stay in cleric stance longer. I've had to heal STR tanks that I couldn't even get my dots off on sch before i had to get out of cleric stance to keep them from dieing.

That sounds more like a case of improper or nonexistent damage mitigation than it does lack of hps.

An extra 1.5k hps will only last a matter of seconds without it anyway.

[Jakeson]

More HP means healer can stay in cleric stance longer. I've had to heal STR tanks that I couldn't even get my dots off on sch before i had to get out of cleric stance to keep them from dieing.

This. I obviously don't do maths, but STR tanks actually slow groups down when I play my scholar. With a full VIT tank I can almost stay in cleric stance the whole time and DPS constantly while Selene stands in fire. Not to hurt the tank pride, but I do more damage than you.

[SarcasmMisser]

This. I obviously don't do maths, but STR tanks actually slow groups down when I play my scholar. With a full VIT tank I can almost stay in cleric stance the whole time and DPS constantly while Selene stands in fire. Not to hurt the tank pride, but I do more damage than you.

If you think your DPS is seriously affected at all by 2000 more HP I doubt your ability as a SCH.

[Domira]

This. I obviously don't do maths, but STR tanks actually slow groups down when I play my scholar. With a full VIT tank I can almost stay in cleric stance the whole time and DPS constantly while Selene stands in fire. Not to hurt the tank pride, but I do more damage than you.

I don't think the extra 450 hp a full vit tank has makes a difference. Talk about exaggeration? Switching from poetics accs to pentameld ilvl 110 I gained 90 str and lost like 450 hp....Also I have about 2% extra mitigation with blocks and parry's. So there is more to gain than there is to lose.

[aisustrong]

I don't think the extra 200-300 hp a full vit tank has makes a difference. Talk about exaggeration? Switching from poetics accs to pentameld ilvl 110 I gained 90 str and lost like 200 hp....Also I have about 2% extra mitigation with blocks and parry's. So there is more to gain than there is to lose.

it's like 2k, not 300
but pentameld gets best of both