NIN Goad - Show BRDs some love

[Waeksyn]

Nin's please remember the BRD in your party for GOAD when doing big group pulls and AOE. While WAR can use the TP for overpower, it only costs 100 TP and with access to flash, WAR have no trouble keeping hate on the big groups without it. PLD don't need it at all.

Goad makes a huge difference with brd. Wide Volley uses 160 TP and invigorate has a long recast (especially in those cases where you go from one big pull directly into another). Army's Peon can be used (good choice with 2 brds in the party) but costs brd 20% in damage.

Give it a try. The big groups will go down faster if you do.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

Overpower costs 130 TP, and Tomahawk costs a lot too during the pull. Warriors don't need Goad often, but there are certain dungeons where TP starts getting really bad. I don't know about these new dungeons yet, but last room of Sastasha HM had me hurting for TP just about every run. Probably best on Bard the majority of the time, but sometimes Warriors.

I wish players could see other party members TP. I can see my own up there in the list. I would be perfectly fine if the other party members' TP was listed under it.

[Ilitsa]

I thought that was standard, Unless the tank specifically asks for it (It's my wife so it's effortless there), I goad the other dps in my group on the big pulls. If it's a drg/mnk, once I get to about 600tp, I goad them cuz I know they use TP a lot faster than me, so if I'm that low, they're likely lower. Only time I'll only goad the tank is if it's another nin in my group lol.

[Mykll]

If I am with a WAR tank, the tank gets it. If I am with PLD tank, they don't burn through TP as fast. And they have Flash to fall back on. In those cases, the BRD gets it.

[Ophie-Mio]

Nin's please remember the BRD in your party for GOAD when doing big group pulls and AOE. While WAR can use the TP for overpower, it only costs 100 TP and with access to flash, WAR have no trouble keeping hate on the big groups without it. PLD don't need it at all.

Uhhhh, as a WAR who does big pulls, I disagree. Overpower isn't necessarily expensive but its conal range makes it hard to gather AND keep aggro on larger amounts of mobs when DPS are going balls to the wall on their own separate monsters. So, to compensate, it goes off multiple times. At 130 TP and let's say using it four times? That's already 520 TP...

Also, if you wanna keep going, you're gonna need to Goad me still since after the pull is done, I can't do anything until I wait for my TP.

Goad makes a huge difference with brd. Wide Volley uses 160 TP and invigorate has a long recast (especially in those cases where you go from one big pull directly into another). Army's Peon can be used (good choice with 2 brds in the party) but costs brd 20% in damage.

As a person who also plays bard, I have no problems in speedrun pulls if I use Invigorate long before I truly am seeing fumes. Do it at about half and it'll be up again when you need it. Plus, Peon is also good. The damage reduction is a thing. It just is. It's a part of being bard. Use Soul Voice + Peon and you'll at least be doing it for less. Depending on your party composition, you won't even notice the damage reduction.

All that being said, the times I have been goaded, I haven't noticed. I just noticed that I was in an abundance of TP and my Invigorate was still up. I guess there's a difference when your free Rain of Death and Noct arrow procs a lot? Standard for me is the goad being given to other NINs or TP hogs like DRG and MNK. As a WAR, I expect it in a double NIN party and will ask my husband for it. As a bard, I don't bother to ask. I'm fine enough with TP without it and usually other jobs get priority.

[Noxifer]

Also try to keep in mind that Bards, unlike Warriors, at least have access to Invigorate :3 (And yeah, I know it has a long cooldown. But I still wish I could use it T_T)
(Overpower costs 130TP, Tomahawk costs 120TP, btw.)

A Ninja I play with often recently said that Goad should always go to melee dps if they're there (by which I think he meant "physical dps", not necessarily melee), which I don't quite agree with. Not that I think it should always go to the tank either, it's more that I think it depends upon more than a static "is this job in the group?" check. I mean, sure, the mobs die quicker if the dps have more TP, but if the tank runs out of TP and loses aggro to said dps (due to lower ilvl or derping or just generally not being as good at his/her job as s/he should be -- everyone was new at some point, after all), the mobs will most likely kill the dps before dying themselves :3 And with only three Flash available before MP runs out, Warriors more or less depend on Overpower to manage larger groups, where tab-hitting them just won't work. Three or possibly four enemies, sure. More than that... Not too likely. Conversely, if the tank manages to hold aggro on the group without running out of TP too quickly, and the issue is more that the fight drags out longer, then I have no problem at all to see a Goad go to someone else.

But yeah, I'm a tad partial to Warriors in this case (*coughs and points to main class*), so feel free to disagree with me =D

And I agree that this would all be a lot easier if they'd implement measurements for TP in the party list... whether as bars or numbers or a percentage.
(And if they'd allow the TP-recovery items to be used outside of PvP. Casters/healers have ethers to recover their "TP" - why don't we? D: )

[Naliee]

Only reason why I'm probably not giving BRD Goad is cause BRD is failing at his/her job.

OH YES, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SINGING. I see farrrrr too many BRDs who won't sing Foes when they have pt full of BLMs. If I see you doing your job, then I will give you my Goad love (On the rare times when I get to play NIN).

[Slappah]

Use Soul Voice + Peon and you'll at least be doing it for less. Depending on your party composition, you won't even notice the damage reduction.

Just want to point out that battle voice does not affect yourself. So using it along with paeon for the purpose of restoring your own TP is a waste

[elreed]

I usually decide between wars and brds, in some cases is more important giving tp boost to tanks, but just in some dungeons or long fights, so yeah brds are always a priority for me, but the post should more about ninjas giving all the time goad to party members, I've been in lots of parties and some ppl doesn't use goad at all...

[Ophie-Mio]

Just want to point out that battle voice does not affect yourself. So using it along with paeon for the purpose of restoring your own TP is a waste

Lol, seems I'm still doing that. Soul voice was an ability from XI... seems I've never grown out of calling Battle voice that. But yeah, never knew that it didn't affect the user. Learned something new.