Viability of a Spell Speed WHM set up?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I lost interest after 2 paragraphs. tldr, please

[Donjo]

I lost interest after 2 paragraphs. tldr, please

Talia called you an elitist because you weren't very constructive in your criticism. If you present your ideas with a kinder touch and offer genuine suggestions for improvement, people will be more receptive to your words.

[Sebazy]

I still don't get why people worry so much about this topic this tier =s

If I had my way, I'd stack DET/PIE to the ceiling and be done with it. That just isn't possible since 2.4, not even close. Double that with my luck on drops being hilariously bad (I'm still missing every last drop from T11 for example) and I've inadvertently ended up a Spell Speed stacker as things stand. Honestly? It's really not so bad, yes it's a total waste on T11 and a good portion of T12 but it has it's use on T10 combined with PoM for stone skinning the group for adds (Don't give me the 'start stone skinning earlier, we have a habit of going to adds right after a charge so that's just not an option) and I can really feel the difference on T13 between my main and alt when it comes to solo healing the bulk of the white damage particularly on P1-P3. I'm usually pushing the SCH to DPS as much as possible so it's pretty commonplace for me to be chain casting at this points.

Would I willingly go with a full SS build? Not really. Do I begrudge my gear? Not really. Are any secondaries going to make or break your gameplay? No, I couldn't even tell you what my alt is wearing, it's that random but I still manage to comfortably clear FCOB. Confidence, knowledge, quick reactions and foresight are far more beneficial than any secondary. One will always be better off studying replays and looking for self improvement than flapping over topics like this.

[firstsin]

Anyways...

Getting back on topic and agreeing you all have the biggest pixel-p***s.

You cannot go wrong with Piety. It gives a large pool of mana to heal as much as you like. One other thing to note while Shroud of Saint can regenerate MP, you also automatically get MP every 3 seconds. The more MP you have have the more MP you'll regenerate.

Determination increases your healing potency directly. It's not as strong as mind but for WHM you want your Cure to be as strong as possible rather than rely on Crit or just use Cure 2.

Spellspeed is only useful in large quantity. If I could have Spellspeed to reduce the cast time of Stoneskin to 2.5 seconds then it will make certain scenarios easier but that is mostly in FCoB. The down side is that the amount of Determination and Piety you'll have to sacrifice is too high. This makes Spellspeed less desirable.

I'd go Piety and Determination and then pick Spellspeed over Crit. Not choose Spellspeed over Piety or Determination.

[VanilleFang]

Don't forget that Det also increases DPS as well. So not only will you be getting better heals, but you will also be getting stronger DPS. And Piety is only good until you have as much MP as you are comfortable with. If you get too much Peity it's a waste of stats because you don't need that extra MP and MP/3. Spellspeed is viable in any content, it's just not optimal. If you want to build SpSp, go ahead.

[Donjo]

I appreciate a well thought-out post as much or perhaps more than the next person, and it's nice of you in a way to support the beleaguered party and grant benefit of the doubt, but all of that was just...a little too much. We don't need an essay to break any of this down.

The T10 critique, taken in context of the preceding posts, was fairly reasonable. It wasn't by any means complimentary, but it was actually constructive, especially considering what tone the other party had been taking in recent posts (yes, that was apparently a misunderstanding, but not obvious at the time).

Yeah, long posts are kind of my thing. I should at least try to lay off. But, that critique... even if we take the previous context into account, two wrongs do not make a right. That criticism was not constructive in the slightest. To provide constructive criticism requires elements of actual construction. The criticizer needs to make an attempt to put what they see as broken back together again. The broken object in this case was simply declared as broken and nothing more. It also must focus on the work at hand, not the person performing it. This was violated when the criticized was insulted by being called a liability. This was, hands down, the most caustic, belittling, and downright insulting critique of another player's strategy and person I've ever seen on these forums. So, yes, I pointed it out. When I'm impassioned, I tend to be verbose so that I can get my point across perfectly clearly; the idea of something I say being interpreted as meaning something entirely different than my intention terrifies me.

Anyways...

Getting back on topic and agreeing you all have the biggest pixel-p***s.

That isn't exactly what was going on, but you're otherwise correct. We got way off topic; so off topic that I'm surprised the mods didn't close the thread.

However... let's go back to the actual question this thread asked: "Is Spell Speed viable on a WHM?". Our answer was that yes, it is viable. Any WHM build is viable as long as any Piety requirements are satisfied. The OP thanked us for the answer and then proceeded to only post once more in the thread to clarify something.

The purpose of this thread... it ended on the sixth post. Almost everything that's happened since then has actually been off topic. Maybe we should just leave things alone now.

[Cynfael]

This was, hands down, the most caustic, belittling, and downright insulting critique of another player's strategy and person I've ever seen on these forums. So, yes, I pointed it out. When I'm impassioned, I tend to be verbose so that I can get my point across perfectly clearly; the idea of something I say being interpreted as meaning something entirely different than my intention terrifies me.

I don't want to draw this out too much longer, but a couple of small things:

1. I've seen far worse than Lyrica's response there. If you read between the lines, the corrections are actually there (e.g. do anticipate Preys, do be in time to help mitigate Charge, etc.). It wasn't nice, sugary, or of the hand-holding variety, but it also wasn't to the tone of "lol l2p nub." If it offended you, I can't speak to that; you have every right to your own opinion/interpretation.

2. I used to type books like you do, and occasionally I still indulge, but I would gently suggest the following: being overly verbose can actually obfuscate your key points, especially in a format like this where most of us are taking quickie reads on lunch breaks or while waiting for queues. Better to risk that someone might just possibly not understand your intent than to give them so much information that they either give up reading or end up missing your point entirely.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Okay okay, stop the meaningless and piteous arguing. If you must argue, argue with composer. Arguing =/= verbal fight.

Since I won't be healing serious content, I'll run Spell Speed and... Piety I think. Not sure how it works on Novus.

[Ghishlain]

Okay okay, stop the meaningless and piteous arguing. If you must argue, argue with composer. Arguing =/= verbal fight.

Since I won't be healing serious content, I'll run Spell Speed and... Piety I think. Not sure how it works on Novus.

Welcome to the healer forum, where talking about Spell Speed is like opening a can of Nuclear Whoop Ass upon the healers.

If you're not planning to do anything serious on your healer, I don't suggest building the Novus. Just get the Shiva weapons and be done with it as the MD/VIT/MND is the most important bit of it and this is the least time consuming path to a good weapon. Might change once Tomestone comes out for WoD.

[Moqi]

Since I won't be healing serious content, I'll run Spell Speed and... Piety I think. Not sure how it works on Novus.

It's pretty cheap, at least it was when I did it. I did put some determination as well though - as much spell speed as my Atma and then max piety, the rest determination.

Piety and speel speed is a great duo. Holy spamming feels so good!